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This is the PM I just recieved from Borc this morning:
This definitely makes things much more interesting, and not in a way that's good for us.
To summarize:
- Us recieving Warrior Code for 10 gold is seriously in question.
- The border agreement is no longer valid.
- They want that settler, and want to make sure he's safe (they've moved him).
We can go two ways with this:
1) We can renegotiate and try to crank out a better (i.e. one they will accept) deal.
2) Or we can try to force the issue using their settler as our advantage.
Benefits of option 1:
- We have virtually no chance of going to war.
- We will maintain friendly relations with NDE, which are a good stepping stone for a tech or even real alliance.
Benefits of option 2:
- There's a chance that we'll get the deal we agreed to, which basically is all good things for us.
Bad things about option 1:
- We likely lose a lot from the deal we'd previously agreed to.
- NDE will get the feeling that we'll always want to take the peaceful route, and may act more aggressive in the future.
Bad things about option 2:
- This could lead to a decaying of relations between our two teams, and eventually even war.
- We might end up with a hostile neighbor, a city a hop-skip-and a jump away from our capital and only city, and no agreement at all.
- Even if we don't go to war, NDE will remember how we treated them, and as I've mentioned elsewhere, having two cities so early is a huge advantage... an Archer rush in the near future might mean the end of us.
Our advantages:
They have a settler not too far away that we could chase down, and we have a much more vigorous and aggressive diplomatic stance, and better on-the-spot diplomats.
Our disadvantages:
NDE apparently has an Archer, the capability to make more, knows where our capital is (I can confirm I see their scout on top of a mountain from the game I just recieved), and could possibly build a city very near to us that's rather productive.
What should we do? I'm going to try and write up a very polite and formal PM to him later today trying to get as much as we can from a deal, and I need some input on what our stance should be.
My personal priorities as far as this deal goes would be to try and maintain the border agreement at all costs... we don't really have much more than plains in our area, and not very defensible ones at that. We need that good land in order to maintain our growth, and to get our empire to an impressive size and power. If we do not obtain possession of that area, we'll be vulnerable and much weaker than we would be otherwise.
Hello Trip,
Unfortunately the situation has changed a little bit. But don't care! we both will find a quick solution!
I am the leader of my people but anyway we are a democratic nation and thats why they want to discuss the deal first in our parliament.
Your people already had the time to study the situation and i know you had the chance to make a poll yesterday. We also need this. And we need more discussions with you.
Some of my people say that it is not really nice that you bring fear on our helpless settler and that there is no reason for you to hunt him through a land which is not occupied by you and which was already visited by our scouts...
So we have to discuss the border situation soon again... But I had the chance to say my people that at least we should leave with our settler to let the border land free until our both nations can define the border later...
They accepted but they dont want your warrior to follow our settler. If you will do this then some of us certainly would call for our archer :-(
So let us both keep the border land free for a while and we also will call back our scout from your home city.
I also was enabled to offer you Warrior code, but my people are still discussing if 10gc are enough for it. I will try my best to tell my people that 10gc/warriorcode would be a good first deal (but if you have any further ideas?)...
Let us start more diplomatic actions soon... maybe we can have a peace pipe meating again in your chat room this weekend? three of us and three of you?
Please, let us make this first contact a success!
Borc
Unfortunately the situation has changed a little bit. But don't care! we both will find a quick solution!
I am the leader of my people but anyway we are a democratic nation and thats why they want to discuss the deal first in our parliament.
Your people already had the time to study the situation and i know you had the chance to make a poll yesterday. We also need this. And we need more discussions with you.
Some of my people say that it is not really nice that you bring fear on our helpless settler and that there is no reason for you to hunt him through a land which is not occupied by you and which was already visited by our scouts...
So we have to discuss the border situation soon again... But I had the chance to say my people that at least we should leave with our settler to let the border land free until our both nations can define the border later...
They accepted but they dont want your warrior to follow our settler. If you will do this then some of us certainly would call for our archer :-(
So let us both keep the border land free for a while and we also will call back our scout from your home city.
I also was enabled to offer you Warrior code, but my people are still discussing if 10gc are enough for it. I will try my best to tell my people that 10gc/warriorcode would be a good first deal (but if you have any further ideas?)...
Let us start more diplomatic actions soon... maybe we can have a peace pipe meating again in your chat room this weekend? three of us and three of you?
Please, let us make this first contact a success!
Borc
To summarize:
- Us recieving Warrior Code for 10 gold is seriously in question.
- The border agreement is no longer valid.
- They want that settler, and want to make sure he's safe (they've moved him).
We can go two ways with this:
1) We can renegotiate and try to crank out a better (i.e. one they will accept) deal.
2) Or we can try to force the issue using their settler as our advantage.
Benefits of option 1:
- We have virtually no chance of going to war.
- We will maintain friendly relations with NDE, which are a good stepping stone for a tech or even real alliance.
Benefits of option 2:
- There's a chance that we'll get the deal we agreed to, which basically is all good things for us.
Bad things about option 1:
- We likely lose a lot from the deal we'd previously agreed to.
- NDE will get the feeling that we'll always want to take the peaceful route, and may act more aggressive in the future.
Bad things about option 2:
- This could lead to a decaying of relations between our two teams, and eventually even war.
- We might end up with a hostile neighbor, a city a hop-skip-and a jump away from our capital and only city, and no agreement at all.
- Even if we don't go to war, NDE will remember how we treated them, and as I've mentioned elsewhere, having two cities so early is a huge advantage... an Archer rush in the near future might mean the end of us.
Our advantages:
They have a settler not too far away that we could chase down, and we have a much more vigorous and aggressive diplomatic stance, and better on-the-spot diplomats.
Our disadvantages:
NDE apparently has an Archer, the capability to make more, knows where our capital is (I can confirm I see their scout on top of a mountain from the game I just recieved), and could possibly build a city very near to us that's rather productive.
What should we do? I'm going to try and write up a very polite and formal PM to him later today trying to get as much as we can from a deal, and I need some input on what our stance should be.
My personal priorities as far as this deal goes would be to try and maintain the border agreement at all costs... we don't really have much more than plains in our area, and not very defensible ones at that. We need that good land in order to maintain our growth, and to get our empire to an impressive size and power. If we do not obtain possession of that area, we'll be vulnerable and much weaker than we would be otherwise.
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