First Contact

[Jon Shafer]

Check out the last picture at the website... everything shaded red is land we can see deemed to be ours according to the agreement.

[Apocalypse]

The good thing about Neu being the closest Civ is that they are also the least active in world diplomacy. We can annex them and few will care, at least relatively.

[Zero]

if we're gonna annex them, we should have just taken the settler. We are now prolly going for peaceful approach now.

[Jon Shafer]

We ought to just make them into a vassal type eventually. Going to war with them might be beneficial for the reason that Apoc stated, but it'll all depend upon how things end up occuring...

[BigFurryMonster]

Originally posted by Calc II
Its all over but the scenario was this:

We can make peaceful decision that we might get an unevenly weighted deal out of. This is what is being done right now. We bought Warrior code for 10 gold (about 20 gold or more cheaper). And secured huge territory in exchange for promising the safety of their settler.

That is a VERY good outcome! Congratulations on your negotiation skills!

[statusperfect]

Originally posted by Trip
We ought to just make them into a vassal type eventually. Going to war with them might be beneficial for the reason that Apoc stated, but it'll all depend upon how things end up occuring...

They will never be our vassals. They expand faster than us with more settlers. WE will be their vassals.

[BigFurryMonster]

It depends a bit. True - they now have an extra settler, but we have a sound expansion plan (just kidding). No - what we have as an advantage is that we are not expansionistic. That trait won't help them after the land has been divided. We are Industrious and Scientific, which means that our workers are twice as fast as theirs and that we will build settlers faster. And we can build libraries quicker, thus getting us an even greater tech lead.
We already claimed the grasslands west from us for ourselves. Let's settle it quickly, and see if they hold their part of the deal.

[WarriorPoet]

If you give me the tools...

Seriously, BFM is right. Industrious nations are never vassals!!! The NDE for reasons of their own have seeded control of a strategic and rich city location. If we build a city, now, on the hill on the river next to the plains, then that city will factor hugely in our long term goals of remaining unconquered, while doing a little conquering of our own

[Jon Shafer]

Things have again changed.

What I want most is the border agreement... sure Warrior Code would be nice, but techs will eventually rot in value and everyone will have them anyways. We have the most techs of any civilization in the world. We have little to fear in the technology arena until other civs start finding each other and trading.

However, a border agreement would give us a great sum of land without firing a shot. This would be a huge advantage, and give us a natural border (the mountains) that would be easy to defend, and good land within our borders (their former city site).

In re-negotiations, what I desire most is the border agreement... even if we'd have to GIVE UP something to get it. Right now, our only real advantage is that we were more aggressive diplomatically. They could easily retreat their settler back to their capital (as they've assuredly started doing), and bring forward an Archer or two, and boom, we're in a very bad situation, with little to negotiate for.

[statusperfect]

Yupp. Border negotiation is most important right now.

As expensionists they will have a larger population/production/army in the early game than us so we can't take anythign from them with force.

As expansionists they also will be very unpredictable. They MAY have a great advantage. Messing with them right now is like a kid playing with fire.