Wonder project

[Jon Shafer]

I'm not sure if Legoland is Carthage...
IIRC, Gathering Storm and Roleplay both wanted Carthage, but Roleplay conceded and took up Spain. I thought that GS had Carthage then, but I guess I'm not sure...

We'll have to make our strongest city the new harbor for building the Great Library. Early on before our wars start, that must be our priority... if we can get ahead of Legoland (or any other civ) on it, then we'll be in a very good position. However, like I said, we must start on it (it, as in another high-cost project, then switch over when the time is right) from very near to the beginning of the game, otherwise we'll lose the race for it.

[Zero]

GS is currently playing a GS member only PBEM game (according to them) that would determine their civ choice. Currently form what I hear Korean AI is totally winning over everyone. Arnelos suggested they be Vikings and this has turned some heads so We are not sure if they will be Vikings, Koreans (if they win) or something else.

With no one claiming Carthage, Legoland took the civ.

Either way, competition for these two wonder will be intense. Realisitically speaking, we may only get one. That is still great considering there is five teams (possibly +2 more), there is only 2 wonders that will be chased.

We may be able to get Colossus much easier. It has a long lifespan and has great attribute. I think competition for colossus will be far less than pyramid and Great Library. We could use the Colossus as fail safe wonder but that would require us to start the Pyramid on coastal city.

[punkbass2000]

I think trying to get GWs, especially popular ones, is a waste of time. Taking one of our early cities out of production to build some wonder will really hamper our expansion and defense and the benefit won't be that great, IMO.

[WarriorPoet]

IMO, these are the best wonders in the game in my personal order:

Pyramids-saves money, quicker settlers, cumumlative benefits from rapidly growing cities.
Great Library-use to catch up or to stay even
Sun Tzu's
Leonardo's
Sistine Chapple
Adam Smith's
Magellan's
Theory of Evolution
Hoover Damn
Universal Sufferage
The Internet

My strategy to get the early GW's is the following:
If I start in a high shield area (Capital produces 10+ at size 6) then my capital will produce three settlers, and start the pyramids. Otherwise, my capital only produces two settlers, then starts.

As soon as the Pyramid is done, I may build the temple and one more defensive unit in the capital, and then start the Great Library.

After these are built, I start choosing my highest production city to build the next important wonder ASAP.

Cities that aren't building wonders will generally build a couple military units (best attack available) in between one or two improvements.

I generally build early cities other than my capital as such:

Capital:
Warrior, Warrior, Settler, Warrior, Warrior, Settler, Spearman, Wonder, Temple, Spearman, Wonder, etc...

Other Cities:
Warrior, Worker, Archer, Settler, Spearman, Settler, Temple, Settler, Archer, etc...

Works like a charm IMO.

I avoid early wars, unless it's absolutely unavoidable, but I do build up an excellent infrastructure and a decent defense. Around the time I've completed the Pyramids, I usually have a good force of Archers and warriors. It would be lovely to have a horde of horseman, but that generally wont happen until towards the end of building the Great Library.

This is what works best for me.

[Zero]

Any wonder w/o expiration date is just a gem, but pyramid is so great cause it really boosts your growth. What punkbass2000 said holds some truth in it, but I can't see myself miss out on the pyramid... It's just too good to not give a try. However, we shouldn't hurt ourselves reaching for a wonder that has an odd of like million to one for us to get. Pyramid shouldn't be too bad if we focus our intention on it. So far the only civ that competes against us is Legoland. I think we may have a chance for this one, but I am not too sure about the Great Library. It is a great wonder and I can't imagine how great it would be for us to have. We will definitely try to get this one, but we should be prepared to let this one go.

[Zero]

This is my attempt at trying to tell the future...

If Legoland is in anyway concious of plans for these two wonders, they will be very much aware that we start out with Mansonry, which means they may have a chance of losing the wonder to us. They also know that Roleplay potentially can beat them to Great Library, which means that they are being face with challenges for both wonders. If we manage to beat them in pyramid, they will change their production to Great Library for sure and we may have hard time being able to beat them to it, even if we used a palace trick (assuming they do too, but they will get the tech first).

[Jon Shafer]

We should try to get one or the other. Like you said, if we do beat Legoland to one of them, they will surely beat us to the other. We have to decide which one is more important to us, and hopefully we'll get one of the two.

[BlackOut]

The Pyramids would be my pick to go after. Probably be hard to get if we go head to head against legoland but the fact it lasts without expiration is huge.

[WarriorPoet]

I thought Legoland was going to be Carthage??? This would mean that they start with a leg-up on both The Pyramids and GL, no? So, Trip is quite correct, we may end up with a one or the other choice. Going down this road, and adding what I've read from tech trading threads, if the Human players trade tech all the time, then the GL would just be a great cultural icon, nothing more.

If this holds, then I say go for Pyramids or bust and give up on the GL.