Foreign Minister Thread

[vondrack]

OK, this is the last of the official, topped ministerial threads. I have arranged with redstar1 for some kind of a comprehensive intelligence report to be posted here later today or tomorrow... we have had several good chats with RPers, learning a lot about developments over there on their landmass.

The following applies to all ministerial threads, but I will say it just here: I believe it would be fine to start new threads for clearly defined discussions (like the GLh deal with RPers we considered some time ago), linking to them from the appropriate ministerial thread, leaving the "general" ministerial threads for kinda "general" discussions. Let's see if it works...

And now, fellow Legomen... welcome redstar1, bringing us the latest and greatest news from abroad!

[redstar1]

WORLD FACTBOOK, 900BC

GOW
- Despotism
- their land is stretching from Mistery Island in the west to Cape Vox, throughout the entire northern part of Bob
- have 10 cities, 2 of them on Mistery Island; 6 of them are located on hills
- coastal cities: 3 on Bob + 2 on Mistery Island
- Capital is not coastal, it is building a Great Wonder prebuild.
- militarily average, preparing for their UU
- researching Feudalism
- known resources: wines (5), spices(1), horses(1)
- missing key resources: iron
- opportunistic, but good trading partners

ND
- Despotism
- located in the Central part of Bob, between GOW and RP, separated from RP by a vast jungle.
- 8 cities, 4 of them on hills
- coastal cities: one
- militarily strong
- researching Currency
- known resources: spices(3), horses(2), iron(2)
- starting to fall back in research, because of their passive tech trading policy
- fair, but passive trading partners

GS
- Republic
- located in southern Estonia
- researching Feudalism
- formed by outstanding civ3 players, this is their main advantage and disadvantage; they are too conceited
- opportunistic rather than fair trading partner

RP
- Monarchy
- located in southern Bob, they have a lot of good land
- 6 cities, only the capital being built on hills
- strongest military in the world; presumably preparing for a war (not known whether only defensively or ... ?)
- researching Engineering ?
- known resources: sillks(3), iron(1), horses(1)
- keen diplomats; they like to manipulate others

LUX
- eliminated

VOX
- Despotism
- located in northern Estonia, very close to Bob (over a 1-tile strait)
- smallest civ
- their attempt to settle on Bob was pushed back by the Bobian civs
- based on some reports, they might try it again, this time backed by a considerable military force
- reportedly blocking GS expansion on Estonia by holding a single-tile chokepoint
- researching Engineering on 10%
- poor research potential

EDIT: additional info and clarifications edited in by vondrack
EDIT: Updated the info, Nimitz
edit: Updated by Tiberius in 900BC

[redstar1]

Any additions, corrections greatly received.

[ZargonX]

GoW has ignored my attempts at contact. I'm thinking about just trying to ambush one of them in the chat room. I'll let you know if I make any breakthroughs...

[Nimitz]

Well Lux is nearing war with ND.

[Nimitz]

Hey what would you guys think of renting workers to RP?

[Kloreep]

As in selling them to RP, who promise to later sell them back?

I'm not sure about the idea, but I think it might not work even if we want to. I've sometimes not been able to sell workers to the AI in my games, and I think you can only sell workers when you both have a city on the same continent. So unless we build a city over on their continent, I doubt we can trade workers anytime soon.

[Nimitz]

Nope I'm tlaking farrying them over there and working there tiles for a price of course.

[Kloreep]

Ah. Well, assuming safe ocean travel (IE no suicide galleys)... maybe later in the game, say, middle ages. But I'd vote against ancient age worker renting.

[vondrack]

Hmmm, interesting idea. I would not oppose it once we are well established on our own continent (middle medieval?). At that time, especially if we end up building The Pyramids, I would certainly consider that. But that is so far away from now...

[Nimitz]

I've been ask to make a list of whats ok to say by ambassadors so hear it is.

Ok to Speak about:

• All tech we have got before Republic
• Everything the other civ say is ok to pass on
• To check if a deal can be made
• Anything you get an ok from the F.A.M. or President to speak about

Not ok to talk about:

• All Treaty unless oked by the F.A.M. or President
• Our land mass as far as size and how good it is
• Our having contact with Vox
• Monotheism
• Monarchy

[redstar1]

In order to document the recent discussions with Lux I will put a summary in this post:

Vondrack (& co) had a couple of interesting discussions with Trip over Lux's current position. Basically ND appear to be much to strong for Lux to be able to defend themselves and as such Trip is considering moving the Lux empire to somewhere else. It has been discussed that we might allow them to use Legos Minor, but with stringent controls over the security of Legos Major, our homeland. The exact details of any such plan are being discussed and of course time is a great consideration. We will be ready to go naval fairly soon but Trip estimates they will not have a galley for at least 20 turns. Including the time taken to actually reach the suspected crossing point, and then reach Legos Minor, we are talking at the very least 40 turns.

[Jack_www]

Well if you need a abassador, I can step in.

[Nimitz]

Foriegn Policy

This is just a draft it will not be complete till this is gone.

Please offer any advise or critic on it, all is appertiated.

General Policy
Speak softly and Carry a big stick

GOW
Are not to be trusted can make immediate tech trades, but no long term alliances, good friends when having common interest

ND
To be done.

GS
To be done.

RP
Be very careful around RP on what's said, make no solid offers without consultation, watch carefully what is said by them and if doing a deal, pin them down - don't allow them to wiggle.

LUX
To be done.
EDIT by vondrack:
My impression from the many discussions I have had with Trip is that he feels quite bitter about how other teams treated LI. Every single other team but us has already played a dirty trick on him. If we treat him fair, I am quite sure we will have a great ally on our side. My suggestion regarding LI would be to be generous and fair to them. We have little to lose and lot to gain that way.

VOX
To be done.

[Jack_www]

about ND, I have gotten a pm back from them that just says how I can get a hold of their abassador. They only problem is they never seem to be online thus I cannot get a hold of them. Right now I am not at my house so I cannot get a hold of him right now, but their ambassador is not online anyways.