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    From Vox:



    Greetings Ghengis. Trust all is well with you.

    I assume this is still a go from your side, as I am now going to share confidential aspects of the Vox plans.

    We are very close to d-day. Or more correctly named - I-day. We just played the 875bc turn. We will be set to go on 775bc. In 4 turns. We can delay to 5. We very much want to go sooner than later.

    Our intel from various sources tells us that GS does not have a large army, they do not suspect anything (other than us returning to Bob), they may possibly not have a barracks, but they are researching feudalism, and will be finished in 11-13 turns. They are a republic now.

    When we say 'go' in 4 turns, that means taking out their northern observer warrior. That will indicate that something is up - we will have declared war - but then we still have 6 turns to get our main force into position to attack the first city. Because of the observer set-up we can not get any closer. We will be inserting a couple units via galley on the east side to take out another GS observer warrior, and then they will be proceeding south via the galley to look for the iron source.

    The question here is how big a dent can we make quickly. We are going in force. 14 Immortals and 5 spearmen in the first wave, 3 more Immortals two turns after that, and then 11 in the 6 turns after that. The re-inforcements may actually be larger, as we haven't calculated in the impact of our GA.

    So - the question is - when and where should you come in. The ferry idea will still work. If you want to land two horsemen and take out the observer warrior - we can probably cover our tracks by saying it is a retaliation raid by GoW, and they took out the GS warrior so there would be no observers. That is getting a bit fancy - and they may read through it. Besides - they are so dismissive of us that the thought of GoW and NeuD landing will scare them into a bigger reaction than if they thought it was just us.

    So we should probably stick to the plan where we take out the warrior. But then you could land horsemen, return to Desolation Point to pick up more, and then sail south when the bulk of their forces are reacting to our Immortal Army. They will not have much idea of its size until it emerges from the mountains next to their first city. That first city is farly close, we think, to their central core of cities, which will be our main target.

    Your galleys can then sail down the west coast looking for targets of opportunity, preferably their iron source. The horseman, if any, which landed previously, will follow us down and can counter-attack chariots or bowmen should they appear. Your presence will not be known for awhile, and should add a second element of surprise.

    It is four turns of galley moves from Desolation Point to a landing spot on South Estonia. But then only 2 and a bit moves south of there before you cross the 'border'. I trust this helps with your planning. I can provide more details if required.

    We are committed to winning this war - and are not pulling any half measures. We will have a constant stream of units being produced from the northern cities. We have workers lined up to build the supply line. We are set to go.

    Please let me know of your plans, and how you can see yourself best co-operating with our moves.

    We also need to determine if any ruse is really required given how soon we are set to go. But it would still be fun to do some sabre rattling - and we are keeping GS well-informed this time of our plans to re-invade Bob.

    To secrecy - and victory!

    Your partner in arms .... Beta.



  • #2
    Im not very good at Dtrategy myself....

    How long before we have that galley, and are the horsemen ready? Plus, do we have their map, sorry, haven't had time to load up the sav for a while...
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    • #3
      I need a @#$% Spellcheck thread.

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      • #4
        Ok, you are against pop rushing our horse... what about the galley? Its in a city we are disbanding anyway...
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        • #5
          I was wanting to disband that city into a settler and move it over to a better location.

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          • #6
            Dtrategy Notes

            I really dont like Vox killing off the observers.

            It will give too much time for GS to switch builds to pikes and move their units North.

            I have not had a look at the sav recently (in fact have struggled to keep up with anything this last week). We really need the Vox Map. We are going to have horsemen over there anyway, Vox should give us their map....in return, some of the most brilliant military GoW strategists will offer a war plan that will leave them in full control of Little BoB.

            Does Vox realise that observers can only see the end of the move ? Immortals should be able to move past observers ?

            Dunno, its very difficult to assess the situation without a map. But its just wrong to give GS any warning by killing observers. The first thing GS should know about any war against them is the full strength of an invasion force inside their borders. (preferably with 1 city down already)

            I say, tell Vox its a bad idea to kill the observers, and we need their map for our generals to come up with a plan that best suits our horsemen, and ensures the quick destruction of GS. We are allies now, and all intelligence MUST be shared, or the war will fail.
            "No Comment"

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            • #7
              Dtrategy Notes

              Press Edit you idiot...not quote
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              • #8
                Originally posted by GhengisFarb
                I need a @#$% Spellcheck thread.

                Now I know why the Iraq war has not gone as smoothly as first planned.

                All the soldiers are still trying to find their Dtrategy Notes.

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                • #9
                  It could've been worse, it could have been STRATEGERY in good Dubya style...

                  Jesus friggin christ, 28 Immortals?!?!?!?!?!?! If they are speaking the truth then I honestly don't see how GS can withstand an attack of that magnitude. Hell, I'm starting to get scared myself...

                  I also insist they give us a map, it is impossible to plan this based on oral reports.

                  Also, I think we should inform them that GS offered to sell Feudalism shortly to ND. Perhaps they will take less time to upgrade than the 11-13 turns Beta believes. If it indeed takes 11 turns then we have a pretty good window of oportunity of around 6-8 turns to kick their butts in which even a warning will do no good to them.

                  However, if they get Pikes sooner than that then it's going to be rougher, hopefully they may start in 4 turns.
                  A true ally stabs you in the front.

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                  • #10
                    If GS get Pikes, our horsemen can only be used to counter GS chariots/archers. Immortals will have to be used to bust into the cities....And it sounds like Vox will have plenty to spare.
                    Damn this smells funny. If this is just a ploy to get our horsemen off our continent for a GS & Vox offensive against our homeland...I am going to be pissed !

                    Before all this started, when were chatting with GS, I actually warned GS that they should expect an army of immortals attacking them very soon. They dismissed the idea as stupid, and I never mentioned it again.

                    I am going to see if GS is willing to "lend" us some money. If they are truely unafraid of Vox, they might do it, and that may stop them from upgrading all of their spearmen to Pikes.

                    We dont have to take it if they offer...we see what happens.
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                    • #11
                      Sounds troubling but i've been thinking:

                      If you had 28 immortals would you:

                      1) strike at your strat-genius neightbour when it's probably the only chance you're ever going to get

                      2) strike at a weaker offshore country, with the risk that another might help him (and in the process turn your back on said strat-geniuses), get some cities which will be pretty corrupt anyways.

                      It's a no-brainer 1). If Vox wanted to strike at us they would probably try and get GS to help them. Let's try some diplomatic ruses to "guess" what GS's attitude is towards them.
                      A true ally stabs you in the front.

                      Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

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                      • #12
                        My assessment:

                        Vox IS going after ND and is NOT going after us.
                        ND has asked us several questions and made comments that always confirm the postion that Vox is going to war against GS with our help.

                        This could only be false if ND is lying to us about what Vox is saying, but ND is forwarding us emails from other teams which causes me to believe what ND tells us.

                        Secondly, I don't see ND allying with Vox against us. ND and us have worked together well and have a very good relationship. To throw that away to work with a unstable team like Vox doesn't make much sense for them.



                        Roleplay is planning to go to war with ND, and probably thinks ND is gearing up to go to war with them or us. ND is definitely branded by the other teams as a Warmonger team. We seem to be branded as an Opportunist team.


                        Oh can we name our next city "Dtrategic Objective"?

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                        • #13
                          And now back to our plans for the Vox/GS war:

                          GS is doing a helluva job talking about their strength. I am almost to the popint that I worry for us if we assist Vox. However, since I am still worried about GS even after think that Vox has 14 Immortals to kick butt with, it makes me tremble at the thought of GS in the Industrial age. We must do something about them now.

                          Dtrategic question: Why are we floating around two veteran horsemen?
                          Dtrategic answer: To attack targets of oppertunity.

                          DQ: Don't you think that GS will cover targets of oppertunity (like horse or Iron) with some type of unit that we will have to attack before we get there (even a worker)?
                          DA: Yes.

                          DQ: One turn to land, one turn to attack and one turn to pilliage. Do you think that two horse can last three turns in enemy territory flooded with two move War Chariots?
                          DA: No.

                          DQ: Then why do we have units on our galley?
                          DA: To attack tar.... um... er... I don't know. We shouldn't.

                          The real DA: Wrong again! We should keep atleast one horse on that galley "just in case" (which is different from ToO). Like an undefended city because of the strength of the Vox assault. Hell, if we think that GS won't leave us any "just in case" things, then we should deploy our units now and just let the galley scout. GS will see it and fear two horsemen are on it (unless they cheat, which if they do, then we would know cause we would see "just in case targets" ((((I AM NOT ACCUSING THEM OF CHEATING, just want to be prepared to... ))))) and will divert forces (maybe large forces) to defend against the coast where we have an empty galley....

                          Dtrategic conclusion: drop off AT LEAST one of the horse for the ground war... maybe both.
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