Ghengis' New Grand Scheme.

[Donegeal]

Crap. I have a "marriage class" this weekend and I will be unable to talk with ND until Sunday reguarding this. If one of you can catch a ND member online, please try to plead our case with our greatest friends. Convince them of GS long term threat (ie: which would they rather have control of Little Bob/Estonia? The Strat forum geniuses or the Off-Topic guys?)

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by donegeal
Convince them of GS long term threat (ie: which would they rather have control of Little Bob/Estonia? The Strat forum geniuses or the Off-Topic guys?)

Don't you see that this is another of Vox's plans of deceit? They hang out in the off-topic forum to make us think they're a bunch of chat junkies when In reality they have a secret forum in some remote server in Finland where they are plotting world domination at our expense???

[Hot_Enamel]

I have a concern that we may be taking on a little too much.

We will want to eliminate RP as quickly as possible.... "shock & awe" springs to mind.

ND & RP will possibly stalemate each other, and we will tip the scales to our side when we join.

Similary, we will be tipping the scales to Vox if we commit 6 horsemen to the GS war.

But do we really want to just tip the scales ??

I would of much preferred if we take on each war individually. Eliminate RP as quick as possible, and then immediately switch to join a war with Vox against GS.

If GS gets involved while we war with RP, then we just give the signal to Vox that GS has troops on bob or on the water...and Vox should be able to take them.

However...that said... there are benefits to conducting both wars at the same time. But I do think our focus should be RP first....as it always has been.

How should we handle the diplomatics ?

When we declare war against RP, we can no longer deny that we have an alliance with ND. We could claim it is a temporary one, but I doubt any of the other teams would believe us.

The Vox alliance is different. Here I believe, we have the ability to truely claim that the units are of a mercenary nature. GS will be pissed of course, but we must ensure that everyone is told that we no longer have any interest in those horsemen. They are owned by Vox, and they can do as they wish with them. The game mechanics will show that the GoW is at war with GS, but we must claim the we officially are not at war.

We must do this, just in case the Vox war falls apart, and we need to distance ourselves from the conflict.

On the other hand, if the war goes well, we can always change our story, send over additional units, and then officially declare war.

We should name the six horsemen..Vox1, Vox2, etc etc. And I will continually tell GS, that we wish them luck against Vox, and that we do not care if the Horsemen are killed...The horsemen BELONG to Vox.

If GS gets nasty...(ie brings in Lego against us), I could even offer our mercenary units for GS to buy. The price would be extreme of course, and we can always decline. But will just add to the confusion.

Here are some questions...

Have we discussed with Vox, on the ownership of any cities that the Vox Horsemen take. Do they belong to Vox or GoW ? Surely would like least 1 city with a barracks that we could use for a fast heal...Can Vox temporarily gift us one.

Who controls the Horsemen ? If Vox demands that we attack a heavily forified city...just to soften it up for Vox immortals, are required to follow their orders ? Or can we choose our own targets ?
(This question comes back to who effectively owns the the horsemen)

If we have riders ? should we not upgrade the horsemen at the earliest opportunity ? ..Again, having a city with a barracks would be smart (And connection to a harbor for our/(ND) Iron)

And...I am sure I will have other questions...I will post them as I think of them.

ND sure do sound pissed that we got that city.
And I have a funny feeling that our alliance with ND is no longer a secret...No concrete evidence..just a feeling.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Our focus has always been roleplay we are ONLY providing 6 Horsemen to tip the scales in Vox's favor everything else is going into the war against Roleplay.

I think the deal requires us to give all the cities we capture on the Vox island to Vox. Has ND been sending you emails where they sound pissed? I wasn't aware they were upset as they were informed and knew about the city transfer before it happened.

PM from Darekill:

We don't realy want Port isolation my post in the Forum is just to make some Nations belive that we are not the good friends that we are. Especialy Spain and GS have to belive there would be tensions.

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Has ND been sending you emails where they sound pissed? I wasn't aware they were upset as they were informed and knew about the city transfer before it happened.

GF - Its just the hairs on the back of my neck.

[Master Zen]

How long would it take to defeat RP? If we can guarantee a "shock and awe" victory then all's well.

What I would be afraid of during that time is if GS suddenly launched an attack against Vox while we are 100% commited to a RP war. I'm not so sure how plausible that is but I'm sure that if GS did it, they pretty much would have 100% chance of success knowing those people.

If GS took over Little Bob then our plans of wiping them out prematurely have gone to hell.

As to the question of horsemen, I would like Vox to indicate the general "use" for them, but we could always veto any of their decisions if say they wanted to use us as cannon fodder for example. We should be able to coordinate this war pretty well, as I said in another thread, perhaps use our horesman to harrass GS troops on open ground while the Immortals advance through rough terrain making them practically invincible.

Now what would REALLY screw us up is if GS attacked Vox before they finished upgrading...

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Now what would REALLY screw us up is if GS attacked Vox before they finished upgrading...

This is what I fear as well. GS has just seen Vox give us a thirty shield city. That is shield and time spent in an effort that they abandoned with nothing to show from it. I think that GS is going to attack to get a stronger advantage on Little Bob very soon. This is why I think the urgentcy with GS should take precidance over RP.

The nature of the mercenary units (six Horseman) would be determined by the contract we agree to with Vox. I would be against any contract that gave them automous control over our units. I would be infavor of a contract that has stated goals (ie: These 6 Horseman units are to be commited to a war effort assiting Vox Controli against the Gathering Storm until the Gathering Storm has only three cities in its possesion or an acceptable peace arrangement can be made between Vox Controli and Gathering Storm. The first city taken in this conflict is to be gifted or retained by the Glory of War where it will be permitted to build a Barracks, one defensive unit and any additional Horseman that are needed for the length of the contract. At the conclusion of this conflict, this City, and all other Cities on Little Bob under GoW control are to be gifted to Vox Controli.).

Yeah... something along those lines....
It doesn't give us an out like just granting them control and distancing us from the conflict, but hey, we have one all ready. We're Mercs and GS never asked us how much it would cost!

[Panzer32]

These 6 Horseman units are to be commited to a war effort assiting Vox Controli against the Gathering Storm until the Gathering Storm has only three cities in its possesion or an acceptable peace arrangement can be made between Vox Controli and Gathering Storm. The first city taken in this conflict is to be gifted or retained by the Glory of War where it will be permitted to build a Barracks, one defensive unit and any additional Horseman that are needed for the length of the contract. At the conclusion of this conflict, this City, and all other Cities on Little Bob under GoW control are to be gifted to Vox Controli.

any problems with me sending this to Vox so that we are clear about control of the units?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Panzer32


any problems with me sending this to Vox so that we are clear about control of the units?

Seems alright to me

Perhaps we need to emphazise that the units will be under our control since it is not entirely clear.

[Donegeal]

No... that is a rough draft. It explans the control of the units, but if we are going to draw up a contract for something like this, I want tech included and the begining and end of the deal.

If you want to send Vox something to clear up the control of the units, try this:

The Units contracted to Vox Controli will be under Glory command to achieve a specific goal (ie: we want Glory to take city X). We would then take city X anyway possible under the terms of the overall contract. If resistance proves to great for this to happen, then a joint Warchat will be needed between each turn to coordinate the offensive between Vox Controli and the Glory of War against the Gathering Storm.

[Panzer32]

How about this:

These 6 Horseman units are to be commited to a war effort assiting Vox Controli against the Gathering Storm until the Gathering Storm has only three cities in its possesion or an acceptable peace arrangement is made between Vox Controli and Gathering Storm. Vox Controli can specify the general usage of the the horsemen, but the Glory of War will determine the specific moves, and reserves the right to veto Vox's decision if the Glory of War feels its mission is too risky. The first city taken in this conflict is to be either gifted to or retained by the Glory of War where it will be permitted to build a Barracks, one defensive unit and any additional Horseman that are needed for the length of the contract. At the conclusion of this conflict, this City, and all other Cities on Little Bob under GoW control are to be gifted to Vox Controli.

[Panzer32]

DP with Donegeal.

Don - do you want to take that latest one and integrate what you are saying into it?

[Donegeal]

This depands on what we are trying to negotiate here. Are we just trying to let Vox know how the Glory units are going to be used or are we negotiating an overall contract?

If it is just for unit control, then I think what I wrote (the one with the city X example) could be sent to Vox as is. If it is an overall contract that we are going for here, then it will need to be more elaborate. Terms of a RoP and other issues (like I would love to have a Vox city gifted to us to start the war rather than take one and build on it) will need to be nogotiated.
Other issues include how far the war goes and Tech deals. Our contract with ND is until the destruction of RP and the division of Bob. Here, Vox is going to want to go for the Destruction of GS where I think it will be in our best interest to leave them hanging around with just a few cities. These are all matters that will need to be discussed.

[Donegeal]

I see in the absense thread that you are going to be gone for a bit Panzer. Did you want me to corner Betahound in a chat or something and beging negotiating on a contract? I will beable to have time to do it tommarow and the next day.

[Panzer32]

Donegeal: it is just for unit control. We don't want to start fighting a war, and have Vox all upset that they can't make our horsement kamikazee.

Go ahead and talk to Betahound; but send a copy of any PMs to mjmacy; he's technically their ambassador to us.