Ghengis' New Grand Scheme.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

My new idea for a Grand Scheme.

We are committed to exterminate RP with ND.
Vox wants help to exterminate GS.
Lego is blocky.

We agree to send the 6 Horsemen to jumpstart the GS/Vox war, and it may be enough to shift the war to a Vox victory. We let Roleplay know we are fighting GS.

Then as Roleplay gets ready to smack ND (they will, I asure you, ND is their prime target IMO) we whack'em.

If we just whack'em they will bribe Lego and/or GS to join in their side, but if we force GS to commit to a war for their home continent they won't have the resources to assist Roleplay.

I suspect Lego will be too busy building Fortress Lego to help also.

Give it to me, rip my scheme apart!

[Zero]

How's about joint three way attack on ND? ND declared war on Vox!

(GS might help too if Vox bluffs well, making it look like they might concede their starting position.)

Also can You trust RP enough to give out such a valuable information? Telling them that we are sending 6 horsemen to Vox is like telling them Our city gates are practically open. If they are really devious, they can sell ND this info, divert their troops unto us and take ND for themselves

[Donegeal]

Is there anyway to convince ND to go after GS first?

Vox has proven to be SO STUPID that I personally would have a problem with them controling the entire continent (they would probably screw up and build their FP right next to their Cap because it can build it quick...OT vermin...)

[Master Zen]

I like Calc II's plan on a three-way alliance to crush ND. They are a much greater threat than Vox. We could use 10 immortals in support...

You should all read the last couple of posts in the Ask an Ex-Luxian thread

[Donegeal]

Why are you so worried about ND? they would be insane to attack us, even with RP help. ND will not attack us. The fight would end in a draw and leave both ND and GoW at the mercy of GS or Lego.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by Calc II
How's about joint three way attack on ND? ND declared war on Vox!

Here is a bit of history for Calc II and Master Zen.

The ND/GoW treaty. Both have signed and agreed:

Contract between Neu Demogyptia and the Glory of War.

Both parties agree that this treaty has to be handled confidentionally and is for our eyes only. Neither party is allowed to talk about this or to post any details about this in the public forum of Apolyton.

As per the map titled Glory of War - Neu Demogyptica Territorial Agreement (territorymarked.jpg) which is attached to this document.

1. ND is to found the city here fore refered to as "Irongard". Once this city, the iron in its city radius and the two empires of Neu Demogyptia and the Glory of War are all connected, then a trade of Iron from Neu Demogyptia to the Glory of War is to be made. In game, it will say that this trade will expire in 20 turns. Once this time expires, the deal will be continued. The trade will continue either until the Emipre of Spain (the Roleplay team) is eliminated, or if a mutual agreement is made to end the war early. Then Neu Demogyptia will gift the city referred to as Irongard to the Glory of War.

2. The area of Lux Invicta shall be settled on the north coast by the Glory of War and on the East coast by Neu Demogyptia in order to prevent Vox Controli from settling on the Continent of Bob. Again, upon the elimination of Spain, the cities in this area are all to be gifted to Glory of War. An adequate compensation for cities that will be giftet is subject to further negotiations. Valuations of cities are to be finalised before war is declared on Roleplay. Non-agreement on a valuation method will allow either team to void this contract.

3. Neu Demogyptica and the Glory of War will declare war on the Roleplay team on the same turn. This turn is not yet decided, but it must be agreed to by both teams at least 20 turns beforehand or later if mutually agreed upon. At least 10 swordsmen from Neu Demogyptica and 10 horsemen from the Glory of War are to be used in attacking Roleplay. This is an absolute minimum, and it is expected that teams will produce more than this.

4. a) Both teams agree to work together in technology research. Details will be worked out in a separate treaty.
b) Limited trading will be allowed between both teams and Roleplay team. This will stay in effect until the simultaneous declaration of war on Roleplay. Every trade that either team makes with Roleplay must be agreed upon by both teams.

5. A Right of Passage will be agreed to by both teams. This will not be an in game agreement, but one that allows the transport of troops through one another's territory. Neu Demogyptia will leave Glory of War worker stacks unmolested inside the cultural border of Neu Demogyptia to facilitate the clearing of the vast southern jungle.

6. After the Roleplay team is defeated, the enitire continent will be scruitinized, and divided up by exactly 50%. This includes 50% of the tiles and 50% of the resources.

7. This contract cannot be denounced by either team before the Roleplay-Team is defeated and the changing of towns has been done. After fullfilling the changes of towns, the contract can be denounced observing a 30 turns-period of notice.

8. There will be a nonagression treaty in place between th Glory of War and Neu Demogyptia for the duration of this agreement.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

RP is by far the more dangerous threat than ND, they are extremely backstabbing and devious AND they are in a position to become too powerful to defeat without help.

GS is too powerful on their little continent as apparent by the way they have made Vox their "*****" civ. I believe we can hande ND and Vox as future opponents in the aftermath easier than super powerful GS and Roleplay as opponents.

Also, this leaves ND and Vox as the civs on the front lines causing them to take more of the direct counterattacks from GS and Roleplay.

[Panzer32]

No backstabbing ND, now

I support Ghengis' plan, although we probably:
1. should confirm with ND before we put it in motion.
2. We should wait until we get chivalry before RP attacks (we can perform against GS with horsemen).
3. Also, don't ally with Vox until they are off the continent.
4. Make sure that we are adequatly defended against either:
a) Lego oppertunity attack
b) GS or RP naval landing
c) double crossing ND (not likely), or Vox (more likely but not probable)

[Donegeal]

Well, Vox is now off continent. I think we should start think more about this plan.

I my opinion, We need to do something about GS. They are our biggest threat, and I see an oppertunity here.
Like GF suggested, assiting Vox in a Little Bob war would be needed as Vox is a blithering group of fools (I still like Betahound. I think he must be getting out voted. Woof! Woof!). I am so worried about GS that I think that they need to be removed now. Unfortunately, I do not think that a Vox/Gow campaign would work to eliminate GS. I do, however, think that a Vox/GoW/ND (and maybe RP, but that is a different issue) teaming would be sucsessful. Lets help Vox expand and take some GS land. If we send at least 6 horse and ND sends 6 sword, then Vox supplies the rest, GS could be crushed either out of exsitance, or made a small time player where Vox is more powerful on their continent (this is what I would prefer as it would make all those strat forum guys stuck on a minor team with no hope of getting out. Let Vox have all the cities there (we keep the ones we take until the conclusion of the war/start of RP war) as they would be both too corrupt and too difficult to defend.

Now I know that 6 horse sounds like alot, but the benifits are enormous. It would temporarily leave us without much offensive capabilities on Bob, but would not harm our defensive capabilities. Plus, any horse that returned from a Vox/GS war would be elite and primed for GL's.

The trick in this matter is ND (as always). They do not like Vox and would be very hesitant to make a deal with them. In order to get ND on this plan we would need to convince Darekill. I think that if we can convince him then he would be able to sway his people.

Tell me what you guys think. If you like it, I will try to contact Darekill and see what he is thinking.

[Panzer32]

Donegeal, could you just wait to contact Darekill until GF posts what he has said to ND about this. Then, when we know what ND knows, go ahead and contact them, Donegeal.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

All of this money they are making off Monotheism is being used to upgrade Warriors to Immortals, I think they have three cities cranking out warriors and a few to upgrade them.

They are going to swarm GS with Immortals.

[Master Zen]

I had posted this in the ask an ex-Luxian thread but perhaps it is much more appropriate here:

I think I'm starting to grasp the mentality of Vox, it's pretty hard to explain in writting, I gues that first and foremost they are a very idiosyncratic team. They seem like the kind of people that mess up yet try all they can to put the blame on others to the point that they end up believing it.

Like Calc II said, every dealing with them must be crystal clear but still, they are still perhaps a trustworthy team if we can work around their nuisances. They are not the type of allies you want to have for a long time though, but they seem to be able to be trusted to accomplish something that is of course well within their interests, in this case wiping out GS.

I think it is in everyone's interest that GS be eliminated. Vox apparently will like the idea. The question is will ND? I'm thinking that ND's declaration of war towards Vox can serve as the maskirova. It may fool RP and GS into thinking that there will be a major effort against Vox while in fact it leaves us with a free hand to strike at GS.

Now the million-dollar question: can Vox with our aid crush GS?

donegeal had answered saying that Vox and GoW alone could probably not take on GS and that we would need ND's help.

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Panzer32
Donegeal, could you just wait to contact Darekill until GF posts what he has said to ND about this. Then, when we know what ND knows, go ahead and contact them, Donegeal.

Don't worry... I'm not going to go off and start talking to ND with getting approval here first.

If I did, I might get an "Extra" put in front of my Horseman named "Mad Donegeal"....

[Donegeal]

I saw Togas online and cornered him in a chat room.

I told him that Vox gave us the city (Which they did, as far as I'm concerned. We did not have a written agreement.), and that Vox is interested in getting some assitance from GoW against GS. I mentioned to him that it would go a long ways if RP might be able to drop off some troops of their own. He was intreguied by the idea of letting Vox be in control of Little Bob.

Don't worry. I did not say that we had commited to anything. I only said that I had posted the idea of ganging up on GS with Vox and him. I didn't even mention ND. I told him to contact GF and he said to keep in touch with this idea. If you guys don't want RP involved with this, you guys can tell Togas that you dissed the idea and wrote it off as "to elaborate" or whatever.

I mentioned several time that I held no official Position with GoW and that these were just my thoughts on the situation.

Oh, and there has been lots of speculation about the terms of how we got the city. When he asked, I told him that Vox just gave it to us in return for "good will and intentions". We might want to let some of the transaction go public, or only tell people what happened as free "information" when trying to get on the good side of someone (like GS).

[Panzer32]

Donegeal: go ahead and contact ND now, just make sure that you post any correspondance in the ND FC thread. It doesn't look like GF has told them anything.

Another thing: I'm going to update the central trade thread now... please (anyone) look at it, and edit anything errant/wrong.