Urgent Action - Vox Invades

[Hot_Enamel]

[Hot_Enamel]

Role Play

I chatted with GT - but I doubt he is an active member in RP and/or even posted it

Session Start: Sat Mar 22 21:55:01 2003
[21:55] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I have some news
[21:55] GeneralTacticus> Yes?
[21:55] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Completely unnofficial yet
[21:55] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> GF has not played our turn yet
[21:56] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox has invaded our continent
[21:56] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Immortals & Settlers
[21:56] GeneralTacticus> Where?
[21:56] GeneralTacticus> Have they built a city yet?
[21:56] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> They have a settler - next turn will be to build the city
[21:56] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Then they can shuttle immortals over in one turen
[21:57] GeneralTacticus> Should I announce this in the team forum?
[21:57] GeneralTacticus> And where is the settler?
[21:57] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> You have the full map of Bob right ?
[21:57] GeneralTacticus> Dunno
[21:58] GeneralTacticus> I need to catch up on geography.
[21:58] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Yes you do ...
[21:58] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox continent is 1 tile from our continent top right hand corner
[21:58] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> they have a galley in that sea tile
[21:59] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> stepping immortals over.
[21:59] GeneralTacticus> Are you concerned that they intend to invade?
[22:00] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> They are invading - I count 3 immortals 1 spearman & a settler
[22:00] GeneralTacticus> I mean invade your territory.
[22:00] GeneralTacticus> As in, go to war.
[22:00] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Probably not ... But it is a stepping stone for a future invasion
[22:01] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> What would RP's response be ?
[22:01] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> A 4th civ on out continent
[22:01] GeneralTacticus> Dunno, shall I bring it up on the forum?
[22:01] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Yep - GF will no doubt send an official response
[22:01] GeneralTacticus> I'm not empowered to speak for Spain, you see.
[22:01] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am trying to get a fealing from RP now.
[22:02] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I cannot speak for GoW
[22:02] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> This is unnofficial
[22:02] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am drafting some actions for our team when they finally wake up
[22:02] GeneralTacticus> Unfortunately, our team chatroom appears to be dead right now.
[22:02] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I have no teams members awake
[22:03] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Unofficially ... what do you think RP's resonse would be
[22:03] GeneralTacticus> NE of the continent would be near you, correct?
[22:03] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Yes - Us mostly & ND eventually
[22:04] GeneralTacticus> I expect we'd be a bit worried, but not overly.
[22:04] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> If we told Vox to put the settler back on the galley or else....
[22:04] GeneralTacticus> But please don't take this as even an approximation of the overall opinion.
[22:04] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Would RP join us in a joint statement
[22:04] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Unofficially - I am not holding you to anything
[22:04] GeneralTacticus> I rather doubt it.
[22:05] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Wow
[22:05] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> That surprises me
[22:05] GeneralTacticus> Why?
[22:05] GeneralTacticus> We're not going to be the oens with a Vox base right behind us, after all.
[22:05] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> This is the first intercontinental settlement
[22:05] GeneralTacticus> * ones
[22:06] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> RP has been against war
[22:06] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> GoW will not like this and will probably do something
[22:06] GeneralTacticus> I can imagine.
[22:06] GeneralTacticus> Though what you could do is beyond me.
[22:06] GeneralTacticus> If they really do have three Immortals there.
[22:07] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I doubt we would stand for a 4th nation knocking on our back door
[22:07] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> If GS settled down south, I think we would help RP
[22:08] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Bob is good size for 3 nations - 4 is too many
[22:08] * GeneralTacticus shrugs.
[22:08] GeneralTacticus> I can't speak for the others.
[22:08] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Of course - No Probs
[22:08] GeneralTacticus> I'm preparing to post a thread on it right now.
[22:08] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am just drafting responses
[22:08] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Do you have any influence over Vox ? or GS ?
[22:09] GeneralTacticus> As a team?
[22:09] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> rephrase - How are your diplomatic relations with them
[22:09] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> RP as a team
[22:09] GeneralTacticus> I'm afraid I'm not a very good source of information on that kind of stuff.
[22:09] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> No Probs
[22:09] GeneralTacticus> I guess whether or not we could get them to back off would depend on how set they were on building it.
[22:10] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am just hanning around waiting for a Voxian or a GoW member to join
[22:10] GeneralTacticus> If it was just built on the basis that ti would be useful, we might be able to.
[22:10] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> We are finding Vox difficult
[22:10] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> GS are OK
[22:11] GeneralTacticus> But if they truly intend to use it as a base to invade you or another civ on the continent, and were pegging their strategy to it, I doubt it.
[22:11] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Now we know why
[22:11] GeneralTacticus> ?
[22:11] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I think GoW will see it as an invasion staging point
[22:11] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox is difficult to deal with
[22:11] GeneralTacticus> I don't blame you.
[22:12] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> If we had good relations, we would probably consider it
[22:12] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> They did not even discuss it with us before sending immortals over
[22:13] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> OK - This was unnofficial - You can post the info on your board
[22:14] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> But my comments are unnofficial
[22:14] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Not the GOW team official response ok
[22:14] GeneralTacticus> Ok.
[22:14] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Cya
[22:14] GeneralTacticus> I'll post it up as such.
[22:14] GeneralTacticus> cya.
Session Close: Sat Mar 22 22:14:48 2003

[Hot_Enamel]

Gathering Storm

And I caught Shiber in chat.

Session Start: Sat Mar 22 22:19:29 2003
[22:19] Session Ident: Shiber (w00t@bzq-112-146.red.bezeqint.net)
[22:19] Shiber> Hi. You wanted to chat?
[22:20] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Hi
[22:20] Shiber> what did you want to talk about?
[22:20] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Thanks for last night
[22:20] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox
[22:20] Shiber> anything in particular?
[22:21] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Yep
[22:21] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> You said you would help us out if they did anything stupid
[22:21] Shiber> no, we said we might
[22:21] Shiber> there are two possibilities:
[22:21] Shiber> 1. helping you out with money - this shouldn't be a problem, presented to the team. they would surely approve it.
[22:21] Shiber> 2. helping you out by going to war with vox - this is a totally different issue.
[22:22] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> OK -
[22:22] Shiber> we've discussed the possibility where we would sign a treaty obliging us to attack vox in case they attacked you
[22:22] Shiber> i recently posted a description of that possibility to the GS forum. it is pending discussion
[22:22] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> What is the feeling ?
[22:22] Shiber> all i can promise is that i'd do my best to promote such deals
[22:22] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> There may be a problem
[22:23] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I got the sav file ND a few hours ago
[22:23] Shiber> Hot_Enamel[GoW], i can't tell you yet, since i've posted my summary of the chat about 20 minutes ago and no replies have yet been posted
[22:23] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox have landed 2 immortals 1 spearman & a settler have landed on Bob
[22:23] Shiber> EEK
[22:23] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am the only member of GoW who knows this
[22:23] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> And am posting possible responses
[22:24] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> They have not created a city yet
[22:24] Shiber> please delay the save as much as possible and GS will discuss this and see what we can do to help
[22:24] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> We will obviously do this
[22:24] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Do you have neough influence to tell them to send the settler back ?
[22:25] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Your opinion only
[22:25] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I understand your teams needs to discus
[22:25] Shiber> we'll see what we can do
[22:25] Shiber> i'm posting to the GS forum as we speak
[22:26] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> If we war with Vox, we will take the war to their homeland
[22:26] Shiber> i'm sure we can send an unpleasant message to Vox, though
[22:26] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> That would be good
[22:27] Shiber> Hot_Enamel[GoW], may I post our chat log to the GS public forum?
[22:27] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Sure - just remember - this is my opinion - not an official GoW response
[22:28] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> GF and the rest of the US members will be up soon I guess.
[22:28] Shiber> can i have a screenshot of the site of Vox's landing and its surroundings?
[22:28] Shiber> particularly, one that shows the distance between the nearest GoW city to the landing zone
[22:28] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I wont do that - But I will pressure our team to send you it
[22:29] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I dont think GF & team would have a problem
[22:30] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Thats about it for me - I need to post in our forum as well
[22:31] Shiber> okay, i'm gonna post the log of this chat to our forum
[22:31] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> np
[22:31] Shiber> i've prepared a message urging our members to take steps to assure your security
[22:31] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Thankyou
[22:32] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am sure our team will have an official response soon
[22:33] Shiber> there's nothing more i could do right now
[22:33] Shiber> i'll let you know how the discussion turns out though
[22:34] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Thanks
[22:34] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Cya
[22:34] Shiber> goodbye
Session Close: Sat Mar 22 22:34:46 2003

[Hot_Enamel]

I will be in bed by the time you wake and play the moves.
They are obviously using that galley as a stepping stone...they will pour
immortals into our continent.

My suggestions-
1. We tell ND & RP and arrange a hasty alliance.
We send email to Vox telling them that the next move will be to put their settler back on that galley and return home. We consider the move not as an act of aggression, but more a act of WAR.
We get ND to send the same email.
We get RP to send the same email

We contact GS, and just see how friendly they really are.
GS promised a lot in their chat....now lets see them deliver.

GS did offer to help keep Vox off our back....I am going to ask them to exert as much pressure on them as possible.

I will be in bed when this breaks out. Feel free to contact GS members without me. They may be the key in forcing Vox to retreat.

[Hot_Enamel]

And lets hold the save as per shiber - See what GS can come up with

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Okay, I emailed a screenshot to ND and Roleplay.

[Hot_Enamel]

Shiber would like to chat - To discuss what GS can do for us

[Hot_Enamel]

The 2nd chat with GS

LOG File


I gotta go to bed

They got the pic

[Donegeal]

They must be removed!!!!

Leave or they will face everything GoW can throw at it.
This would include:
ND
RP
GS

If not actual forces, then trade embargos, halt on all relations.

Lux/Vox... they both end in "x". That stands for "X"tinction!

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I think ND and GoW can deal with Vox but expect Roleplay to also get involved.

I would prefer to keep GS out of this as this gives a legitimate reason to land on THEIR continent.

From Darekill:

Sorry but i can't chat today.
That is awful news . Maybe Borc can chat with you.
I rcammend a united declaration of war from at least GoW and ND. Better with RP and GS. We have not seen any GoW Troops but we have Scout Picahulu who can scout.
We send Swordsman imediately. We must secure our southern border though because i don't trust RP.
So we can not declare war imediately. We must form an assault Team first.

From oliverfa:

I'm trying to gather RP members to discuss this issue. Will tell you
more
about that in a while.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

From Dissident:

We have no intention of invading anyone. Do you supsect that? I don't believe we are near anyone's borders. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

[Aggie]

We need to do 2 things
1) settle near that area
2) move all horse there(luckily a road goes toward there)
Aggie

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Aggie
We need to do 2 things
1) settle near that area
2) move all horse there(luckily a road goes toward there)
Aggie

Every horse we have was moved towards there, they are all on the edge of the hills.

[Panzer32]

Sent to Vox:

mgmacy,

Greetings from the Glory of War! I see that your civilization has found our shores. I ask that Vox withdraws your forces and settler. The Glory of War looks upon this action as one of hostility, as this provides an easy standoff point for attacking the Bob civs.

Thank you,

Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

I think that before we get a coalition together to defeat Vox, we should ask them to leave!

[Donegeal]

This is why you are an ambassador and not me. Mine simply would have said:

"Leave now or die."