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Gentlemen, this has been nagging on my mind for a few days. I truly believe we must consider the fact that Vox & GS have created an alliance, much the same as we have done with ND.
We must think about this…. We always assumed that they would be at war by now, as they have only a small continent and early UU’s. But…if we were stuck on a small continent, would you destroy your neighbor ? Hell no, you would combine and work as a team to take on the 4 big boys on Bob.
Trip mentioned in the ISDG threads that they signed a border agreement very early in the game. I think this was the first of many more agreements soon after. Both teams are the last to offer up trades (I think they negotiate between themselves first) and I am sure they share tech.
Both teams are the hardest to get any type of intel on. They share nothing. In my correspondence with GS, I have specifically asked them their relationship with Vox. They have ignored or provided minimal information. I have even fed them information about us..(about the probability of an GoW / ND war, and our border negotiations), yet they still give us nothing.
If we had an aggressive neighbour, we’d be sounding out alliances all the time…especially with a mercenary team such as us. They are not doing this because they are secure with their positions.
More information is the fact that Vox gave some of their Luxian blood money to GS. GS claims this is payoff in allowing Vox onto their island, and to keep them quiet, but I don’t believe them.
Now comes the next part of the conspiracy, and what it means to us….
They are both hoarding gold. Why do this ? Unorthodox mentioned plan gold and it occurred to me…what if Vox are building masses of warriors…getting ready to be upgraded to Immortals. GS could help financially with the upgrades, or could be planning on upgrading their chariots to horsemen to avoid their golden age. The fact that we cant get their maps, could also suggest that they don’t want us to know their road network…like a connected source of iron ?
So, if Vox has a ton of Immortals, and GS has a pile of Horsemen/Chariots, what are they going to do with them ? Wait until the 2nd age, when they become obsolete ? I doubt it. I think we can expect something to happen pretty soon.. How many Luxians have we been able to recruit ? None yet….and they say its because of ND. Perhaps its because they know a little about Vox’s plans ?
So we ask ourselves….who is close, and who is their biggest threat.
Us and ND would have to be the number 1 threat. We both have excellent UU’s coming at the same time, only….we are a hell of a lot closer than ND. If China was to be removed from a game, it must be done before she gets Riders. We are very close to them, and I am kinda getting very worried that we are becoming a target. A combined attack of Immortals and War Chariots, would destroy us, and I doubt that even with ND’s help, we could stem the tide. The best we could hope for is to come out incredibly weakened and at the mercy of RP.
Assume we aren’t attacked before we get riders, when would be the best time? I would suggest a fleet of Immortals dropped on our doorstep could easily destroy us while our force of Riders are deep south fighting RP. And if I was RP, I would be begging for Vox help.
Finally, what can we do about this ?
I am a little concerned with ND….have we had our agreement ratified by them in writing. They must be worried (like we are about them) being backstabbed by us in the RP war. Plus, we have been actively promoting that we don’t get along. I have certainly indicated to GS, that we most likely will war. Could this info be getting back to ND, and getting them a little worried ? I think it imperative, that we get our agreement in writing now.
We should speak to ND and RP about a three way MPP against any foreign civ that lands on our shore. This agreement should be obvious to all of us to be in best interest. If ND declines or RP starts to delay…then we are in trouble.
Perhaps also, we should consider diplomatically asking Vox & GS straight up what their intentions are. When confronted with the truth, many teams struggle to come up with plausible lies to cover them.
If I sent an email to GS, saying that many of our team are worried that Vox is hording gold for a massive immortal upgrade….do they need our services as mercs ? What do you think their response would be ? Surely this information must have them worried. Surely they would want help ? If not, then I smell something very fishy.
Anyway…excuse my gramma & Spell’n ……and any comments would be great
We must think about this…. We always assumed that they would be at war by now, as they have only a small continent and early UU’s. But…if we were stuck on a small continent, would you destroy your neighbor ? Hell no, you would combine and work as a team to take on the 4 big boys on Bob.
Trip mentioned in the ISDG threads that they signed a border agreement very early in the game. I think this was the first of many more agreements soon after. Both teams are the last to offer up trades (I think they negotiate between themselves first) and I am sure they share tech.
Both teams are the hardest to get any type of intel on. They share nothing. In my correspondence with GS, I have specifically asked them their relationship with Vox. They have ignored or provided minimal information. I have even fed them information about us..(about the probability of an GoW / ND war, and our border negotiations), yet they still give us nothing.
If we had an aggressive neighbour, we’d be sounding out alliances all the time…especially with a mercenary team such as us. They are not doing this because they are secure with their positions.
More information is the fact that Vox gave some of their Luxian blood money to GS. GS claims this is payoff in allowing Vox onto their island, and to keep them quiet, but I don’t believe them.
Now comes the next part of the conspiracy, and what it means to us….
They are both hoarding gold. Why do this ? Unorthodox mentioned plan gold and it occurred to me…what if Vox are building masses of warriors…getting ready to be upgraded to Immortals. GS could help financially with the upgrades, or could be planning on upgrading their chariots to horsemen to avoid their golden age. The fact that we cant get their maps, could also suggest that they don’t want us to know their road network…like a connected source of iron ?
So, if Vox has a ton of Immortals, and GS has a pile of Horsemen/Chariots, what are they going to do with them ? Wait until the 2nd age, when they become obsolete ? I doubt it. I think we can expect something to happen pretty soon.. How many Luxians have we been able to recruit ? None yet….and they say its because of ND. Perhaps its because they know a little about Vox’s plans ?
So we ask ourselves….who is close, and who is their biggest threat.
Us and ND would have to be the number 1 threat. We both have excellent UU’s coming at the same time, only….we are a hell of a lot closer than ND. If China was to be removed from a game, it must be done before she gets Riders. We are very close to them, and I am kinda getting very worried that we are becoming a target. A combined attack of Immortals and War Chariots, would destroy us, and I doubt that even with ND’s help, we could stem the tide. The best we could hope for is to come out incredibly weakened and at the mercy of RP.
Assume we aren’t attacked before we get riders, when would be the best time? I would suggest a fleet of Immortals dropped on our doorstep could easily destroy us while our force of Riders are deep south fighting RP. And if I was RP, I would be begging for Vox help.
Finally, what can we do about this ?
I am a little concerned with ND….have we had our agreement ratified by them in writing. They must be worried (like we are about them) being backstabbed by us in the RP war. Plus, we have been actively promoting that we don’t get along. I have certainly indicated to GS, that we most likely will war. Could this info be getting back to ND, and getting them a little worried ? I think it imperative, that we get our agreement in writing now.
We should speak to ND and RP about a three way MPP against any foreign civ that lands on our shore. This agreement should be obvious to all of us to be in best interest. If ND declines or RP starts to delay…then we are in trouble.
Perhaps also, we should consider diplomatically asking Vox & GS straight up what their intentions are. When confronted with the truth, many teams struggle to come up with plausible lies to cover them.
If I sent an email to GS, saying that many of our team are worried that Vox is hording gold for a massive immortal upgrade….do they need our services as mercs ? What do you think their response would be ? Surely this information must have them worried. Surely they would want help ? If not, then I smell something very fishy.
Anyway…excuse my gramma & Spell’n ……and any comments would be great
This is my favourite option of all of them. Maybe we can send out some extra galleys to harass the Vox/GS galleys and sink some units. We lose galleys, they lose immortals and war chariots. If we sign an extension of our ND alliance, they will probably want to help out with the wall.
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