ND_GoW Treaty.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Again, I agree with HE.

Sooner is better than later for us as well, I would say. I do not think it will take Roleplay long to figure something is up especially if there is a trade embargo or even limited trading.

Do we know how long it will take to build 10 horse AND the Road?

[Hot_Enamel]

Panzer... Within your commentry, include an example of when we may mutual agree not to wipe our RP.


1. added wording letting us mutually agree to stop war - since we both agree, why would we continue war? An example of this is if RP gets a settler onto a galley, and it becomes wasteful to try and chase them down.

[Panzer32]

I think a later attack date is better, because we have nonagression pacts with Roleplay for a while that bars us from going right to war with them. Since we can't attack them right now, it is better to wait for our UUs. Also, this treaty has been written with attacking later in mind; therefore if we were to attack earlier, we would have to redo the wording.

[Hot_Enamel]

I would rather an early attack without UU's so we can get a later golden age...(And not be at war during it)

But I still think a 30 turn warning is way too much.

- I am at work now ...will have a think at home later.
Send it as it is..and see what ND's comments are ?

Or insert "?????" and ask ND's opinion.

[Hot_Enamel]

The reasons why I would rather an early war.
1. RP is Rexing. They are building their cities far away from their capital and have no real defense.
2. I would rather have a peaceful GA. ND & GOW can swap units and can have a one turn fake war, giving us both peaceful GA's
3. The longer we wait, the more cities ND will settle in LuxLand, and the more expensive it will be us to buy those cities back.

War should begin on 1025bc..the day our NAP expires.


And another concern...I really hate the idea of ND settling any additional areas around Lux.

They get the capital & the Irongard...OK they deserve them...but any city they build in Lux territory will eventually be gifted to us.

I just cant see ND gifting cities for gold.

ND should settle around themselves, and we warn Vox not to settle anywhere near Luxland. Tell Vox to settle further south if they insist, but the GOW will not accept any incursion so close to our high production cities.

[Hot_Enamel]

3 posts in a row

I will have that a personal avatar soon

While uploading the screenshots, I noticed the PowerGraph for Roleplay.
They have plenty of units....
And they had plenty of warriors spare to chasing Basher.

So...Are they going for a swordsman ?

[Panzer32]

If we were to go to war with RP in 1025bc, we would be alone. ND has a NAP with them longer than we do.

Should I send that deal to ND now?

[UnOrthOdOx]

Cut it down to 20 turns, minimum, I would say. We can certainly agree to LONGER, but that should give everyone enough time to be fully prepared, especially since we should be preparing now.

Will be kind of amuzing to see just how long ND is pre-occupied with Lux at this rate as well.

[Panzer32]

I switched the wording to 20 turns. If I can send this, I will send it tonight.

[Hot_Enamel]

Can you write..."20 turns or if mutually agreed earlier"

That means we can demand a 20 turn warning, but still leaves the door open to an earlier attack if circumstances demand it and we both agree.

Regs

But lets send it ASAP...
We want to show ND we are keen to hammer out a deal

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

1) It think the agreement is fine as it now stands with the alterations.

2) We cannot fight RP for a little less than 30 turns because we agreed to a Non Agression treaty and we need to build up our city base.

3) We need to send the treaty back to ND within the next 12 hours to smooth over the Lux stupidity.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

What's up with this? It was supposed to have been sent several days ago?

[Donegeal]

It sound to me like ND has it and is awaiting a vote.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by donegeal
It sound to me like ND has it and is awaiting a vote.

ND hasn't received anything, Borc emailed me wanting to know what's up.

Right now, ND can attack us as we have NO NON AGRESSION treaty with them.

THEY WILL NOT AGREE TO TRADING WARRIORS UNTIL THE TREATY IS SIGNED and we have not sent any info back since they first sent us the treaty.

If I get no feedback within the next 3 hours I will send them the latest revised copy from this thread.

[Panzer32]

sorry... sent now.