Recommend no trades with Roleplay.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

They have publicly slandered us and are trying to convince everyone we have renegged on treaties and teh like.

We know these are blatant lies but they have already done damage to our reputation, and thus I think we should avoid any dealings with the Roleplay team except for combat.

[Hot_Enamel]

I just posted my comments on this on the Spies thread.

I get the feeling he has been lied to, and he has overreacted.

Lets not do the same.

We will want a 3 on 1 war soon....lets not give RP any reason try and make us the 1.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Latest on the Roleplay situation:

Ghengis,

You need to talk to your people to see what they're telling us before
you go off
the handle. I wrote you after Panzer sent a message to adaMada stating
that you
just received one of the techs we were going to trade you, Bronze
Working, and
that the deal would have to be redone.

He informed us that "It seems like our warriors are very close together
now, but
our previous tech deal is obselete; therefore I would like to get a new
meeting
deal together with you."

adaMada posted his message to my forum and asked me what we should do
now.

As you should know, we had planned to give your team Alphabet AND
Bronze Working
for Wheel and Warrior Code. However, since your team aquired Bronze
working, the
deal would, in his words, have to be redone.

We turned down a deal with Lux for the same techs we had agreed to
trade to you.
We have a contact with them and could have made such a deal at any time
this
week, but chose not to. You can understand why this would upset me.
You can
understand why I immediately wrote to you.

I recontacted Lux this evening to see if they would reconsider their
offer to us.
Trip informed me that they will. However, I made it perfectly clear
to him that
I would only take their offer IF things could not be worked out with
your team.

Therefore, you have a decision to make. Make ammends for this mistake
... I'm
sure it wasn't intentional. I'm sure it's one of those situations
where one hand
isn't watching the other. Get us back to the bargaining table and make
a promise
that your team can keep. Or, tell us to f*ck off and we'll go trade
Warrior Code
and Wheel for Alphabet to Lux Invicta.

Either way we get the techs we need. However, only you or Lux gets
Alphabet from
us. I don't care either way, but I made a deal with your team and when
I make a
promise I keep it. YOUR team has priority here and I had ordered that
we trade
with your people first and formost, but I will change those plans if
your team
would rather take a more opportunistic approach to trade deals.

Lastly, explain to me how your team operates. Who's in charge and how
are these
decisions made? If you make a deal with me, how do I know that your
team will
follow through with it? If Panzer makes a deal, how do we know that
it's
official or not? In the future, how will we know who speaks for your
team and
who's word we can rely on if a simple incident like this can occur?

Post this message to your people so they can fully understand my
position.

--Togas

My Response:

Off the handle? If you had stated that Panzer32 had made that comment and asked why it had been altered I would have looked into it and corrected the situation.

Instead your team immediately begins denouning us in the chat room and forums as liars and backstabbers doing irrepairable harm to our postion in the game.

That is completely unacceptable. I had been pushing to give your team "favored status" and encouraging my team that Roleplay was a strong ally candidate whom we should forge strong trade and tech deals with. In less than 24 hours you and your team have undermined all of that work and undermined my credibility within my own team. I have no idea if I can convince my team to ebrace that attitude again.

We had never decided to renogiate any deal and we got Bronzeworking from Lux for FREE as part of a friendship offer to encourage us to be more supportive of their postion and not ND's. We were to consider it as a bonus and were still going to trade you both techs in our agreement for Alphabet to honor our deal.

I would far prefer that questions about "backstabbings" be brought to my attention before being publicly thrown around as propaganda.

All I know is 24 hours ago we were in a strong tech postion and had lined up a tech share agreements with Roleplay and Lux to generate 3 techs for every 1 we researched and now we are almost back to square one and on the verge of being at the receiving end of a tech embargo.

[Panzer32]

See my response on the other thread. I do not think that not trading will solve our problems. I think that giving relativly favourable trades will.