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**Master Zen** · January 10, 2005, 16:22

Part II

(20:15:09) Darekill: How about giving Lego asylum in ND and let Vox vote for ND?
(20:15:18) MasterZen: yeah most of my team thinks UN victory is boring also
(20:15:56) MasterZen: if you can convince Lego to vote for ND and Vox to vote for ND also, then we'll vote for ND also and game over
(20:17:06) Darekill: Whew that would maybe be boring but if i manage to get that done... that would be the bigges chalange ever...
(20:17:12) Darekill: I'm tempted.
(20:18:03) zerium: tempted?
(20:18:07) Darekill: on the other hand a war would be intresting too.
(20:18:08) MasterZen: do it

(20:18:23) MasterZen: if it doesn't work, then we can just go to war...
(20:18:31) Darekill: @ zeri Versucht --> tempted
(20:18:32) MasterZen: all I want is to give the diplo option a choice
(20:18:48) zerium: ah thanks
(20:19:56) zerium: it would be very funny if you build the un and vote for ND

But i find a UN-Victory boring, sorry
(20:20:22) MasterZen: well Lego will DEFINITELY not vote for GoW

(20:20:34) MasterZen: on the other hand if Lego is destroyed, then you'd vote for us

(20:21:07) zerium: i think Lego would vote for no one
(20:21:18) zerium: yes
(20:21:20) Darekill: of course we'D vote for you if you get Vox into the boat.
(20:21:57) Darekill: we are lawful evil like the rest of you too
(20:22:16) MasterZen: ok we do this:
(20:22:27) MasterZen: GoW will try and get Vox to vote for us
(20:22:39) MasterZen: ND will try and get Lego to vote for you guys
(20:22:48) MasterZen: if Lego is destroyed, the vote goes to GoW
(20:22:53) MasterZen: if Lego survives, the vote goes for ND
(20:22:59) MasterZen: either way, WE WIN
(20:23:09) zerium: first someone must speak with lego. Is lego willing to vote for ND, the same question will got to Vox. Isn't Lego willing to vote for ND, GoW have to ask Vox if they vote for Gow, right?
(20:23:21) MasterZen: yes, we'll ask them
(20:23:34) MasterZen: if Vox had to chose any team to vote for right now, I'm sure they'd chose GoW
(20:23:45) MasterZen: besides Lego, we've been their closest friend so far
(20:23:53) Darekill: I'll contact Lego tomorow.
(20:24:12) zerium: but we must ask first Lego. If you ask Vox to vote for you, its possible that Voy vote for you and lego for us

(20:24:32) Darekill: Vondrack will refuse right away but he's not in charge anymore.
(20:25:15) Darekill: Zargonx is maybe willing to take the assylum.
(20:25:40) Tataa!: bischop was idle for too long and has been disconnected.
(20:25:42) Darekill: They'd survive then after all and could claim to be part of the winning side.
(20:25:54) zerium: hey, i've got an idea, one moment
(20:26:26) MasterZen: don't mantion ANYTHING about Vox with them
(20:26:44) zerium: to be candidate at the UN-vote, you must have 25% of the world and 25% about the world-population, right?
(20:26:49) MasterZen: yes
(20:26:58) MasterZen: which means that GS might be a candidate too
(20:27:06) zerium: ok, how many turns do you need for building the un?
(20:27:09) MasterZen: but... other than Roleplay, no-one will vote for GS

(20:27:15) MasterZen: 6 turns
(20:27:28) MasterZen: 7 at the most
(20:27:34) zerium: is this safe?
(20:27:43) MasterZen: don't know, I need to know if abstentions count
(20:27:56) zerium: so what? It's important to know the exactly year
(20:28:02) Darekill: well if we have our way we are at war by then.
(20:28:06) MasterZen: look this is the timeline:
(20:28:12) MasterZen: in 3 turns we'll know if we have fission or not
(20:28:27) MasterZen: and more importantly, we'llk now if GS has fission or not
(20:28:32) zerium: Un costs 1000 shields
(20:28:53) MasterZen: are you sure?
(20:28:58) zerium: yes
(20:29:10) MasterZen: how about the Manhattan Project?
(20:29:11) zerium: eh, c3c, about ptw i'm not sure
(20:29:18) Darekill: ah another point.
(20:29:23) zerium: lower cost
(20:29:31) Darekill: In my last Pbem we had an UN vote.
(20:29:42) zerium: please stop. i have a really nice and EVIL idea
(20:29:47) Darekill: and all participants were votable.
(20:29:49) MasterZen: say say

(20:30:04) MasterZen: I like EVIL ideas
(20:30:06) zerium: Only point is that i must know the exactly turn UN is build.
(20:30:16) MasterZen: first say your idea
(20:30:28) MasterZen: then I'll tell you if its feasable or not
(20:30:29) zerium: ok
(20:31:34) zerium: my plan is: You say us the exactly turn you will build the UN. We are playing the turn before you. In the turn you build the UN we will attack GS so hard that they have after our turn less than 25% of the world and the world population
(20:31:57) zerium: so they are no candidate for the UN
(20:32:03) MasterZen: but
(20:32:21) MasterZen: even if they are a candidate, it is pointless since they won't win by UN anyway. Other than roleplay, no one will vote for them
(20:33:07) zerium: yes, but if they are no candidate, RP and GS can't vote for GS. Only candidate are safetly you and ND
(20:33:37) zerium: If i'm right, "no-Votes" are not important for the un-victory
(20:34:12) zerium: or the winner. If only GoW and ND are candidate, this will be the un-vic

(20:34:29) MasterZen: but we need to be sure that abstentions don't count
(20:34:52) zerium: ah, abstention is the word i don't find

(20:35:03) zerium: Yes, we have to make a test
(20:35:32) zerium: and of course we must look how can build the UN faster.
(20:36:12) zerium: Problem is: if we wait to long, GS could be to strong in their cost-cities
(20:36:26) Darekill: about the un.
(20:36:30) zerium: so i think its really important to build the UN as fast as possible
(20:36:53) Darekill: is it posible that in Pbem Games all surviving nations are candidates?
(20:37:02) MasterZen: we need to make a PBEM test
(20:37:12) Darekill: i had that situation lately.
(20:37:21) Darekill: wait a second...
(20:39:07) Darekill: ah i don't have the save here it's on the computer at my office.
(20:39:15) MasterZen: ok, but maybe you can test on it
(20:39:31) MasterZen: all I need to know is if abstentions count, if they don't, we have victory in the bag
(20:39:47) Darekill: I'll send the save to you both tomorrow.
(20:40:15) MasterZen: is it PTW or C3C?
(20:40:29) Darekill: PTW
(20:41:01) MasterZen: ok
(20:41:15) Darekill: Zeri it is PBEM 20. Maybe we get the save from Sulla, Erik. Luxi68 or Nille.
(20:41:20) MasterZen: but we'll need the passwords of the other teams
(20:41:49) Darekill: I think Luxi was administrator and has the central password
(20:42:46) zerium: jes, we need the password :-)
(20:43:37) Tataa!: bischop has joined. Welcome!
(20:44:29) Darekill: I just contacted Erik.
(20:45:14) Darekill: This is so time consuming.
(20:45:33) MasterZen: true true
(20:45:39) Darekill: I don't belive that I'm in it again. I wanted to quit...
(20:45:40) MasterZen: if we got paid by the hour we'd be millionaires
(20:45:53) MasterZen: the addiction Darekill... you can't resist it

(20:46:10) Darekill: grrr. don'T rubb it on me.
(20:47:23) MasterZen: hehe
(20:47:38) MasterZen: I dediced I am quite happy just playing this demo game and sending all the rest to hell
(20:49:04) zerium: bongo will come
(20:49:13) Tataa!: bongo has joined. Welcome!
(20:49:27) Darekill: Hi bongo.
(20:49:43) zerium: Hiho bongo :-)
(20:49:57) Darekill: our Kriegsminister.
(20:50:05) bongo: Hello there
(20:50:24) bongo: hello
(20:50:26) MasterZen: helloo
(20:50:44) MasterZen: damn I wish GoW had so many active people

(20:51:50) zerium: bongo, do you know how the un-victory works on ptw-pbems?
(20:52:42) Darekill: mz, zeri you have mail

(20:53:33) MasterZen: ok
(20:53:46) zerium: looks like bongo can't read what we say
(20:54:44) MasterZen: bongo bongo bongo bongo
(20:55:32) zerium: i've ask bongo over icq
(20:56:02) bongo: I trust you have a good time, whish I could hear you though...
(20:56:09) MasterZen: hmmm
(20:56:26) MasterZen: :S
(20:56:35) MasterZen: maybe GS is hacking his connection

(20:57:35) Darekill: O.k i've checked the save.
(20:58:12) Darekill: It's not all paticipants are candidates but four out of six. now the question is why.
(20:58:27) Darekill: Sulla built the UN so he'S with us.
(20:58:53) Darekill: Richelieu (Luxi) is the biggest nation.
(20:59:34) Darekill: I have the greatest portion of land and Yakodi has the biggest population. woul that explain it?
(20:59:48) bongo: you are verry quiet tonight...
(20:59:56) bongo: Or maybe I am deaf
(21:00:21) MasterZen: he's deaf
(21:00:23) Darekill: you are deaf

(21:00:39) MasterZen: Luxi is the "biggest"?
(21:00:47) Darekill: not?
(21:00:49) zerium: T-R/bongo(21:01 PM) :
(21:00:50) MasterZen: in what respects?
(21:01:01) zerium: Probably, as you can qualify for 25% in both land and pop
(21:01:02) Tataa!: bongo has left.
(21:01:03) Darekill: by points no?
(21:01:08) MasterZen: ahh
(21:01:18) Darekill: I've closed the save again so i'm stupid.
(21:01:18) Tataa!: bongo has joined. Welcome!
(21:01:22) MasterZen: still, there might be more than 1 civ with more than 25% of the land/pop
(21:01:37) MasterZen: wilkommen noch einmal

(21:01:49) Tataa!: bongo has left.
(21:02:24) Darekill: Thjat may be the key.
(21:02:26) MasterZen: now the question is whether the abstentions count or not
(21:03:02) Darekill: Egypt America and Arabia were the big three Russia Iroquis and Babylon were rather small.
(21:03:19) MasterZen: also, it matters if it is a grand majority or just a simple majority?
(21:03:23) Darekill: This we can not check by now.
(21:03:54) Darekill: in that game there was a block of four who voted for Sulla.
(21:03:56) MasterZen: for example, if there are 7 teams and one gets 3, and other two teams get 2 votes, does the team with 3 votes win?
(21:04:37) Tataa!: bischop was idle for too long and has been disconnected.
(21:04:40) Darekill: in the spg that wouzld not suffice. I've had that situation. you need a mayority.
(21:04:56) Tataa!: bongo has joined. Welcome!
(21:04:59) MasterZen: ok, so you'd need 4 out of the 7 in that case?
(21:05:13) Darekill: yes.
(21:05:30) MasterZen: so as things stand... we need 4 out of 6
(21:05:35) MasterZen: on the other hand...
(21:05:37) bongo: thought you should know that I can follow your chat from *outside* the room, but not the inside

(21:05:56) MasterZen: if we do a lightning invasion of Roleplay before the UN vote... then we'd need only 3 out of 5

(21:06:10) Darekill: Hehe...
(21:06:15) MasterZen: hmmm
(21:06:17) MasterZen: not a bad idea...
(21:06:20) Tataa!: bongo has left.
(21:06:46) MasterZen: not a bad idea at all...
(21:06:55) Darekill: oh it's 21:00h I've got to leave.
(21:07:35) Darekill: sorry but irealy have to. I'll contact Lego tomorrow about our proposal.
(21:08:06) zerium: ok, i have take a lokk into the save, too
(21:08:49) MasterZen: ok
(21:08:54) MasterZen: maybe we can chat later
(21:09:02) MasterZen: after we get the turn
(21:09:40) zerium: yes, we can chat tomorrow?
(21:09:49) MasterZen: sounds good
(21:09:51) MasterZen: what time?
(21:10:04) zerium: the same as tonight?
(21:10:06) MasterZen: btw, Darekill, don't tell Lego that we're allied

(21:10:13) zerium: 19:00h
(21:10:20) zerium: lol
(21:10:24) MasterZen: 19 h perfect
(21:10:40) zerium: Darekill?
(21:12:21) zerium: MZ, have you an idea for an other room? bongo will chat, too
(21:12:43) Tataa!: Darekill was idle for too long and has been disconnected.
(21:13:39) MasterZen: well the only other room I know is the one at apolyton
(21:13:45) MasterZen: www.apolyton.net/chat
(21:14:10) MasterZen: http://apolyton.net/misc/chat/room.shtml
(21:14:20) zerium: hm at apo the room must be safe
(21:14:33) MasterZen: from there just type /join #gow_cofa
(21:14:39) MasterZen: that's GoW's room
(21:14:45) zerium: and of course now one can sea who is chatting there ;-)
(21:14:53) zerium: password?
(21:14:59) MasterZen: no password
(21:15:05) MasterZen: we can lock it once everyone is in
(21:15:37) zerium: ok, i'm to stupid for this, you must make this ;-)
(21:15:53) MasterZen: heh
(21:16:04) MasterZen: we can meet here again, maybe bongo will get luckier tomorrow

**Hot_Enamel** · January 10, 2005, 20:00

Random Comments :

I think abstains do count. But a PBEM check is needed.

Vondrack (Lego) will never go for a UN vote.
I tried to get one out of him in the DON PBEM, (God I tried every trick in the book in that game), and he gave me a lecture on how cheesy that was.

He may not be running Lego, but he probably lurks. If there was a sniff of a UN vote, I suspect he will try to stop it. Which would include telling Vox not to vote.

Sorry - I just cant see it happening.

Killing Roleplay ... They would have a settler on the way to Legoland by now. And possibly one hidden in the middle of GS ? Would be hard to guarantee their destruction.

Would be nice to do it though

I am good with Beta.
We are in Team Monkey and allies in the Misfits PBEM.
Let me know if you want me to mention something to him. Vox is a 3 man team I think. Roth, Beta & Con. With Roth the turn player.

**Master Zen** · January 12, 2005, 18:51

H_E, be my guest if you want to start discussing "the possibility" of a UN vote and who Vox would vote for. Another thing to mention is Vox's free tech and if they would be interested in sharing it with us if we helped them get into the modern age.

**Hot_Enamel** · January 13, 2005, 00:04

Sent an email to Beta.

I asked him a few general questions. He answered none of them except if they had a FP yet ?

He took that as I was suggesting Vox could be given more land.
Something we can consider I guess.

This was his response.

We have no FP as of yet. Just never worth it. We would be interested in a proposed alliance. But we wouldlike a piece of Lego to to work with.

I havent proposed anything.
Or mentioned the UN vote yet.

But it looks like they are interested.
Is offering them some Legoland on the table ?
Or to I set him straight now ?

**Hot_Enamel** · January 13, 2005, 00:10

Given the attack on GS is happening in the next few turns....

Is it important to lock down an "alliance" now ?
Or put it off until after the war ?

How much do I let Vox know ?
- Not much, I know

- I wouldnt trust Beta/Vox with any knowledge of the pending attack on GS.

What kind of offer can I talk about ?
- Legoland territory ?
- Tech ?
- Elimination protection ? (They put a settler in our territory)
- MPP ?

Anything else ?

**UnOrthOdOx** · January 13, 2005, 00:32

Settler in territory now tops my list of cheesy complete garbage, along with the whole relocating and protecting team X garbage.

Anyhow, is there a cliff notes version of that chat?

**Hot_Enamel** · January 13, 2005, 00:51

When in Rome ....

**Master Zen** · January 13, 2005, 05:08

No, don't mention anything about an alliance or anything against GS yet.

I'm willing to offer Vox the "isthmus" and the "Hammer" on Legoland off the bat. Perhaps we can get them more land depending on where their FP is.

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