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[11:21] [Darekill] Hi
[11:21] [MasterZen] hello
[11:22] [MasterZen] how's it going?
[11:22] [Darekill] I#m sorry but I 've got only a few minutes.
[11:22] [Darekill] So let us do this quick.
[11:22] [MasterZen] no problem
[11:23] [Darekill] ND is in great favor of the idea about the alliance. I wrote this
in an email.
[11:23] [MasterZen] yes, so are we, no-one has said no (so far)
[11:23] [Darekill] They are also a bit greedy concerning our citys that should be
given to you..
[11:24] [MasterZen] I've been thinking of that and I have an idea
[11:24] [Darekill] and there are concerns about wether this alliance should be
allowed by trip or not.
[11:24] [MasterZen] who cares what Trip thinks :P
[11:24] [MasterZen] it's not illegal
[11:24] [Darekill] right
[11:24] [Darekill] That is exactly what I told them.
[11:24] [MasterZen] I mean, Lego and Vox are probably working the same way
[11:25] [Darekill] no one can tell us we can't cooperate.
[11:25] [MasterZen] hell, WE'VE been working that way for quite some time now
[11:25] [MasterZen] during most of Zayxus's term we've been doing joint research
[11:26] [Darekill] O.K. let me hear your idea.
[11:27] [MasterZen] well, first of all we had made a treaty on those cities, and ND
agreed to it, so technically it would constitue a breach. However, I would be
quite willing to let ND keep Stonedina if ND agrees to ACTIVELY support GoW/GS in
a war against Lego
[11:27] [Darekill] Hehe..
[11:27] [MasterZen]
[11:28] [Darekill] Hard to get that through but I'll do my best
[11:28] [MasterZen] c'mon, I know ND likes BLOOD
[11:29] [Darekill] Yes ND likes blood but Hmm... It'll be hard to turn our policy
here. We honour treatys as you know.
[11:29] [Darekill] And we have a word that we gave Lego that we would not atack
them. so we wont
[11:29] [Darekill] but...
[11:30] [MasterZen] well so do we, but if it comes between breaking a treaty with a
rival team in order for them not to win, I'd do it
[11:30] [MasterZen] well... we can look at it this way
[11:30] [MasterZen] if Lego attacks GoW, then we could invoke a mutual protection
pact...
[11:30] [Darekill] if we are forced somehow to
[11:30] [Darekill] atack them let'S say in a mpp
[11:31] [Darekill] then things could likely escalate
[11:31] [MasterZen] there are many ways to bend the rules ]
[11:31] [Darekill] I know.
[11:31] [MasterZen] all you have to be is, creative
[11:31] [MasterZen] (and evil)
[11:32] [Darekill] This has to be absolutely confidential. I must avoid talking open
to this in our forum, they'd be quite right mad at me.
[11:32] [Darekill] I can be evil.
[11:32] [MasterZen] heh
[11:32] [Darekill] I have that potential but I choose sometimes to play the saint
quite effectiv.
[11:33] [MasterZen] yep, works to be the wolf in sheep's clothing
[11:34] [Darekill] I'd need time to prepare more and more incidents that prove my
people that lego is evil and they deserve to be punished
[11:34] [MasterZen] They're going to win if we don't do anything, that should prove
your point well enough :P
[11:35] [Darekill] ND isn'T that much in the winning at all cost moode the most of
my people are in the not loosing mode.
[11:35] [MasterZen] hmm
[11:36] [MasterZen] well, try and convince them that if we work together we can not
only not-lose but perhaps even win
[11:36] [Darekill] that is why i won the election.
[11:37] [Darekill] Zayxus only showed a way how we could help Lego to win and we
survive
[11:37] [Darekill] I told them we have to stop feeding them and start tending our
own good
[11:38] [MasterZen] well, that explains much
[11:38] [Darekill] we turned from a friendly position toward lego to a non hostile
one right now.
[11:39] [Darekill] part of that doctrin is: Let GS and GoW atack Lego and watch it
from aside
[11:39] [MasterZen] :P
[11:39] [Darekill] but since we are closer partners to be this would be void anyway.
[11:39] [MasterZen] I'll send you popcorn
[11:40] [Darekill] to put it even clearer. If you would have invaded Lego not sooo
succesful but still were about to win we could have been mad enough to assist Lego.
[11:40] [Darekill] For a price..
[11:41] [Darekill] You see I for an exapmple are evil.
[11:41] [MasterZen] well, we would not have invaded Lego given ND's attitude towards
them, it would leave us wide open
[11:41] [Darekill] It would not have worked out though I guess.
[11:41] [MasterZen] we're crazy but not THAT crazy
[11:42] [Darekill] You see. Thats what I figured out too.
[11:42] [Darekill] Just about that time the thought of an alliance grew.
[11:42] [Darekill] Knewing that it'll lead us deeper into the jungle of having to
fight Lego,
[11:43] [Darekill] But I think I have a solution for our problem.
[11:43] [MasterZen] how quick do you think ND could assemble a strike force?
[11:43] [Darekill] See I gave Vondrak my word not to atack Lego.
[11:44] [MasterZen] hahahahahahaha
[11:44] [MasterZen]
[11:44] [Darekill] My legislation only lasts 30 turns....
[11:44] [Darekill] then who can say who'S in charge then...
[11:44] [Darekill] You got me right ?
[11:45] [Darekill] We still need some time for infrastucture and a sold built up.
[11:45] [MasterZen] that's why I laughed
[11:45] [Darekill] I'd say an attack before tanks is not so appropriate?
[11:46] [MasterZen] well, the idea here is to invade Lego after WE get tanks but
before THEY do
[11:46] [Darekill] thought so.
[11:46] [MasterZen] in about 3-4 turns GoW will begin a furious re-armament phase
[11:46] [Darekill] Well Vondrack isn't exactly a fool like Togas? Is he?
[11:46] [MasterZen] I would like to re-emphazise the FURIOUS part
[11:47] [MasterZen] nope, well Togas isn't a fool either
[11:47] [MasterZen] he just got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time
[11:47] [Darekill] Well not a complete onbe. But I think Vondrak is more clever
[11:47] [MasterZen] Vondrack is less likely to let personal feelings guide his
actions, that's the main difference
[11:48] [Darekill] He knows whats gona come. trying to talk to me in angels tounges.
[11:48] [Darekill] I just try to avoid meeting him.
[11:49] [MasterZen] Zargon wanted to talk to me the other day
[11:49] [Darekill] successful but he knows what that means.
[11:49] [MasterZen] I was studying for my french exam thoguh, so I told him later
[11:50] [MasterZen] but I'll just say if they want to trade, sorry, we already have
everything we want :P
[11:50] [Darekill] How longe till you'd start the invasion?
[11:51] [MasterZen] depends on how quick GS and us muster up a strong enough force
[11:52] [Darekill] We have no navy and are in a process to build factorys Hospitals
and Stock exchanges.
[11:52] [Darekill] It'll last another 20-30 turns at least then we could start to
build up a strikeforce.
[11:52] [MasterZen] i'd say skip the stock exchanges, just build the factories and
hospitals
[11:53] [Darekill] It needs money to keep up an army.
[11:53] [Darekill] stochexchanges produce it.
[11:54] [MasterZen] I think we're only going to build a few stock exchanges, pure
army then
[11:54] [Darekill] Ah and just because I was very open.
[11:54] [Darekill] One more question.
[11:55] [MasterZen] yes?
[11:55] [Darekill] You'ld have had a testrun on your Army, if the allianc would not
happen, right?
[11:56] [Darekill] I# mean in your shoes I'd have had it...
[11:56] [MasterZen] ??
[11:56] [MasterZen] I don't understand....
[11:56] [Darekill] though it would be risky
[11:56] [Darekill] You do.
[11:56] [MasterZen] no I don't, what do you mean by "test run"?
[11:57] [Darekill] well you would have build up the army in anyway.
[11:57] [MasterZen] within the affordable parameters, yes
[11:57] [Darekill] Just the target woud have to be first a closer one. one that was
on the same continent.
[11:57] [MasterZen] we are, after all, the glory of WAR
[11:58] [MasterZen] it all depends on what our perceived way of victory would be
[11:58] [MasterZen] if we perceived that the only way to win were a war with ND,
then yes, but I don't see how that would work. Lego would probably clobber us :P
[11:59] [Darekill] O.k.
[11:59] [MasterZen] more likely we would've rearmed just because other civs would
likely do the same
[11:59] [Darekill] That was what I assumed.
[11:59] [Darekill] No hard feelings.
[11:59] [MasterZen] but we'll, we'd have done that a LONG time ago too :P
[12:00] [Darekill] We can plan the invasion and the "Glory if ND"
[12:00] [MasterZen] we've both have had chances to take each other out. But we
haven't. That's a good sign of trust, IMO
[12:00] [Darekill] Oh that'S for sure. guess what we had in mind while signing
Panzers plan and giving you our citys...
[12:01] [MasterZen] hehe, that comes as no surprise to me :P
[12:01] [Darekill] We just did not dare it.
[12:01] [Darekill] If we fight neither will win.
[12:01] [MasterZen] the thing is, a 1-civ bob would be the target of everyone else.
Like lego is now
[12:02] [Darekill] either Lego or Gs would just get the popcorn until they feel it
is time to pick up the pices
[12:02] [MasterZen] In Civ, sometimes the best strategy is not to appear to be the
one to win, and then doing it from "under the radar"
[12:02] [Darekill] Yep.
[12:03] [MasterZen] hmmm I have a real evil idea
[12:03] [Darekill] speack you know I like evil ideas.
[12:03] [Darekill] speak..
[12:04] [MasterZen] if GoW and GS attack Lego, maybe ND can then attack GS various
turns later after we do some damage to Lego
[12:04] [Darekill] no ck..
[12:04] [MasterZen] that would be fun...
[12:04] [MasterZen] with the bulk of their army in Legoland
[12:04] [Darekill] :g:
[12:04] [Darekill] oh yeah..
[12:04] [MasterZen] of course, Lego would have to be crippled a bit (or a lot)
[12:04] [Darekill] And it would be much better to sell...
[12:05] [Darekill] But we'd still need a very big army.
[12:05] [Darekill] And ships at the wrong coast.
[12:06] [Darekill] but itS' tempting...
[12:06] [MasterZen] very
[12:06] [Darekill] How would GS react.
[12:06] [MasterZen] who cares! they'd be dead!
[12:06] [Darekill] They'D call for you to help them.
[12:07] [MasterZen] and technically we could'nt because our army would be in
Legoland too :P
[12:07] [Darekill] How long would they have time to see what'S going to come.
[12:07] [Darekill] Can we cross the sea in two turns?
[12:08] [MasterZen] ND can
[12:08] [Darekill] That would leve them only one turn to react.
[12:08] [Darekill] We'D need Marines.
[12:08] [MasterZen] and they can't bring back the army in 2 turns
[12:09] [Darekill] To conquer a coast town and put in the Rest of the picnic team...
[12:09] [MasterZen] yep
[12:09] [Darekill] You'D just kill them on their way home.
[12:10] [Darekill] But at this time Lego must be beaten up very heavy.
[12:10] [MasterZen] yes, hopefully
[12:11] [Darekill] O.K. before anything of this can happen we must have the alliance
signed.
[12:11] [MasterZen] sure
[12:11] [Darekill] we must have the confidence that on borc is almost no military
needed. Just some on the coast.
[12:11] [MasterZen] I can begin writing a draft and can send it to you on the
weekend, then you guys can revise it add/remove stuff and then we sign it and send
it to Trip
[12:12] [Darekill] Fine!
[12:12] [Darekill] ThatS' the way we do it.
[12:12] [MasterZen] sehr gut!
[12:13] [Darekill] We can make it in two Languages. Bongo can translate too and Trip
knows enough to aprove that the german version is the same as the englicsh one.
[12:13] [MasterZen] ok
[12:14] [Darekill] You send me the draft. I put it in our forum and translate it
there.
[12:14] [MasterZen] bongo is active in your team?
[12:14] [Darekill] then we'D add something or in the ideal case nothing
[12:14] [Darekill] And I#ll send you our Version. in both versions the translated
one and the english one.
[12:15] [MasterZen] sounds perfect
[12:15] [Darekill] It is...
[12:16] [MasterZen] I think my team is going to like it
[12:16] [MasterZen] anything that implies war and savagery is sure to make them
drool with glee
[12:17] [Darekill] They are not much different to my people.
[12:17] [Darekill] and not so different from me
[12:18] [Darekill] Just some need to be reminded that one game is one thing and
another one is another one
[12:18] [MasterZen] hehhe
[12:18] [MasterZen] are you active in that "other" one?
[12:18] [Darekill] there were voices that warned me not to ally with the friends of
neta.
[12:18] [MasterZen] hahaha
[12:18] [Darekill] I sometimes add my advice in some military decisions.
[12:19] [MasterZen] well, you guys fought really well
[12:19] [Darekill] Neta was...
[12:19] [Darekill] Ummm..
[12:19] [Darekill] Unwise?
[12:19] [MasterZen] not entirely competent, yes, we noticed
[12:19] [Darekill] They made our job more easy than the would have needed to.
[12:20] [Darekill] But we should avoid that terrain since the other game is realy
another one...
[12:20] [MasterZen] well yes, not that I've ever considered them similar
[12:20] [MasterZen] my friends in the ISDG are my enemies in the PTWDG and vice
versa... hehehe
[12:21] [Darekill] That's the way it is.
[12:21] [MasterZen] more fun that way
[12:22] [Darekill] If you play pbem's you know that trusted friends in one game are
most dangerous enemys elsewhere and it's got nothing to do with persons.
[12:22] [MasterZen] ultimately it's just a game. we're all part of the civ3 community
[12:22] [MasterZen] which is why I am a bit sad that the PTWDG caused so much anger
during the RP war
[12:23] [Darekill] I just despice the fact that there are people that just do not
see this.
[12:23] [MasterZen] and the ISDG too. We really do not like GCA's attitude sometimes.
[12:23] [Darekill] They take it personal. I hate that, it takes away the fun.
[12:23] [MasterZen] yeah
[12:24] [Darekill] Well enough said for this chat.
[12:24] [Darekill] I've got to go.
[12:24] [MasterZen] ok
[12:24] [MasterZen] cya next week
[12:24] [Darekill] I'm waiting for the draft.
[12:25] [MasterZen] yes, I'll try and write it tonight or tomorrow
[12:25] [Darekill] c.u.
[12:25] [Darekill] Sehr gut.
[12:25] [MasterZen] tres bien
[12:25] [Darekill] Auf wiedersehen.
[12:25] [MasterZen] au revoir
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[11:21] [Darekill] Hi
[11:21] [MasterZen] hello
[11:22] [MasterZen] how's it going?
[11:22] [Darekill] I#m sorry but I 've got only a few minutes.
[11:22] [Darekill] So let us do this quick.
[11:22] [MasterZen] no problem
[11:23] [Darekill] ND is in great favor of the idea about the alliance. I wrote this
in an email.
[11:23] [MasterZen] yes, so are we, no-one has said no (so far)
[11:23] [Darekill] They are also a bit greedy concerning our citys that should be
given to you..
[11:24] [MasterZen] I've been thinking of that and I have an idea
[11:24] [Darekill] and there are concerns about wether this alliance should be
allowed by trip or not.
[11:24] [MasterZen] who cares what Trip thinks :P
[11:24] [MasterZen] it's not illegal
[11:24] [Darekill] right
[11:24] [Darekill] That is exactly what I told them.
[11:24] [MasterZen] I mean, Lego and Vox are probably working the same way
[11:25] [Darekill] no one can tell us we can't cooperate.
[11:25] [MasterZen] hell, WE'VE been working that way for quite some time now
[11:25] [MasterZen] during most of Zayxus's term we've been doing joint research
[11:26] [Darekill] O.K. let me hear your idea.
[11:27] [MasterZen] well, first of all we had made a treaty on those cities, and ND
agreed to it, so technically it would constitue a breach. However, I would be
quite willing to let ND keep Stonedina if ND agrees to ACTIVELY support GoW/GS in
a war against Lego
[11:27] [Darekill] Hehe..
[11:27] [MasterZen]
[11:28] [Darekill] Hard to get that through but I'll do my best
[11:28] [MasterZen] c'mon, I know ND likes BLOOD
[11:29] [Darekill] Yes ND likes blood but Hmm... It'll be hard to turn our policy
here. We honour treatys as you know.
[11:29] [Darekill] And we have a word that we gave Lego that we would not atack
them. so we wont
[11:29] [Darekill] but...
[11:30] [MasterZen] well so do we, but if it comes between breaking a treaty with a
rival team in order for them not to win, I'd do it
[11:30] [MasterZen] well... we can look at it this way
[11:30] [MasterZen] if Lego attacks GoW, then we could invoke a mutual protection
pact...
[11:30] [Darekill] if we are forced somehow to
[11:30] [Darekill] atack them let'S say in a mpp
[11:31] [Darekill] then things could likely escalate
[11:31] [MasterZen] there are many ways to bend the rules ]
[11:31] [Darekill] I know.
[11:31] [MasterZen] all you have to be is, creative
[11:31] [MasterZen] (and evil)
[11:32] [Darekill] This has to be absolutely confidential. I must avoid talking open
to this in our forum, they'd be quite right mad at me.
[11:32] [Darekill] I can be evil.
[11:32] [MasterZen] heh
[11:32] [Darekill] I have that potential but I choose sometimes to play the saint
quite effectiv.
[11:33] [MasterZen] yep, works to be the wolf in sheep's clothing
[11:34] [Darekill] I'd need time to prepare more and more incidents that prove my
people that lego is evil and they deserve to be punished
[11:34] [MasterZen] They're going to win if we don't do anything, that should prove
your point well enough :P
[11:35] [Darekill] ND isn'T that much in the winning at all cost moode the most of
my people are in the not loosing mode.
[11:35] [MasterZen] hmm
[11:36] [MasterZen] well, try and convince them that if we work together we can not
only not-lose but perhaps even win
[11:36] [Darekill] that is why i won the election.
[11:37] [Darekill] Zayxus only showed a way how we could help Lego to win and we
survive
[11:37] [Darekill] I told them we have to stop feeding them and start tending our
own good
[11:38] [MasterZen] well, that explains much
[11:38] [Darekill] we turned from a friendly position toward lego to a non hostile
one right now.
[11:39] [Darekill] part of that doctrin is: Let GS and GoW atack Lego and watch it
from aside
[11:39] [MasterZen] :P
[11:39] [Darekill] but since we are closer partners to be this would be void anyway.
[11:39] [MasterZen] I'll send you popcorn
[11:40] [Darekill] to put it even clearer. If you would have invaded Lego not sooo
succesful but still were about to win we could have been mad enough to assist Lego.
[11:40] [Darekill] For a price..
[11:41] [Darekill] You see I for an exapmple are evil.
[11:41] [MasterZen] well, we would not have invaded Lego given ND's attitude towards
them, it would leave us wide open
[11:41] [Darekill] It would not have worked out though I guess.
[11:41] [MasterZen] we're crazy but not THAT crazy
[11:42] [Darekill] You see. Thats what I figured out too.
[11:42] [Darekill] Just about that time the thought of an alliance grew.
[11:42] [Darekill] Knewing that it'll lead us deeper into the jungle of having to
fight Lego,
[11:43] [Darekill] But I think I have a solution for our problem.
[11:43] [MasterZen] how quick do you think ND could assemble a strike force?
[11:43] [Darekill] See I gave Vondrak my word not to atack Lego.
[11:44] [MasterZen] hahahahahahaha
[11:44] [MasterZen]
[11:44] [Darekill] My legislation only lasts 30 turns....
[11:44] [Darekill] then who can say who'S in charge then...
[11:44] [Darekill] You got me right ?
[11:45] [Darekill] We still need some time for infrastucture and a sold built up.
[11:45] [MasterZen] that's why I laughed
[11:45] [Darekill] I'd say an attack before tanks is not so appropriate?
[11:46] [MasterZen] well, the idea here is to invade Lego after WE get tanks but
before THEY do
[11:46] [Darekill] thought so.
[11:46] [MasterZen] in about 3-4 turns GoW will begin a furious re-armament phase
[11:46] [Darekill] Well Vondrack isn't exactly a fool like Togas? Is he?
[11:46] [MasterZen] I would like to re-emphazise the FURIOUS part
[11:47] [MasterZen] nope, well Togas isn't a fool either
[11:47] [MasterZen] he just got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time
[11:47] [Darekill] Well not a complete onbe. But I think Vondrak is more clever
[11:47] [MasterZen] Vondrack is less likely to let personal feelings guide his
actions, that's the main difference
[11:48] [Darekill] He knows whats gona come. trying to talk to me in angels tounges.
[11:48] [Darekill] I just try to avoid meeting him.
[11:49] [MasterZen] Zargon wanted to talk to me the other day
[11:49] [Darekill] successful but he knows what that means.
[11:49] [MasterZen] I was studying for my french exam thoguh, so I told him later
[11:50] [MasterZen] but I'll just say if they want to trade, sorry, we already have
everything we want :P
[11:50] [Darekill] How longe till you'd start the invasion?
[11:51] [MasterZen] depends on how quick GS and us muster up a strong enough force
[11:52] [Darekill] We have no navy and are in a process to build factorys Hospitals
and Stock exchanges.
[11:52] [Darekill] It'll last another 20-30 turns at least then we could start to
build up a strikeforce.
[11:52] [MasterZen] i'd say skip the stock exchanges, just build the factories and
hospitals
[11:53] [Darekill] It needs money to keep up an army.
[11:53] [Darekill] stochexchanges produce it.
[11:54] [MasterZen] I think we're only going to build a few stock exchanges, pure
army then
[11:54] [Darekill] Ah and just because I was very open.
[11:54] [Darekill] One more question.
[11:55] [MasterZen] yes?
[11:55] [Darekill] You'ld have had a testrun on your Army, if the allianc would not
happen, right?
[11:56] [Darekill] I# mean in your shoes I'd have had it...
[11:56] [MasterZen] ??
[11:56] [MasterZen] I don't understand....
[11:56] [Darekill] though it would be risky
[11:56] [Darekill] You do.
[11:56] [MasterZen] no I don't, what do you mean by "test run"?
[11:57] [Darekill] well you would have build up the army in anyway.
[11:57] [MasterZen] within the affordable parameters, yes
[11:57] [Darekill] Just the target woud have to be first a closer one. one that was
on the same continent.
[11:57] [MasterZen] we are, after all, the glory of WAR
[11:58] [MasterZen] it all depends on what our perceived way of victory would be
[11:58] [MasterZen] if we perceived that the only way to win were a war with ND,
then yes, but I don't see how that would work. Lego would probably clobber us :P
[11:59] [Darekill] O.k.
[11:59] [MasterZen] more likely we would've rearmed just because other civs would
likely do the same
[11:59] [Darekill] That was what I assumed.
[11:59] [Darekill] No hard feelings.
[11:59] [MasterZen] but we'll, we'd have done that a LONG time ago too :P
[12:00] [Darekill] We can plan the invasion and the "Glory if ND"
[12:00] [MasterZen] we've both have had chances to take each other out. But we
haven't. That's a good sign of trust, IMO
[12:00] [Darekill] Oh that'S for sure. guess what we had in mind while signing
Panzers plan and giving you our citys...
[12:01] [MasterZen] hehe, that comes as no surprise to me :P
[12:01] [Darekill] We just did not dare it.
[12:01] [Darekill] If we fight neither will win.
[12:01] [MasterZen] the thing is, a 1-civ bob would be the target of everyone else.
Like lego is now
[12:02] [Darekill] either Lego or Gs would just get the popcorn until they feel it
is time to pick up the pices
[12:02] [MasterZen] In Civ, sometimes the best strategy is not to appear to be the
one to win, and then doing it from "under the radar"
[12:02] [Darekill] Yep.
[12:03] [MasterZen] hmmm I have a real evil idea
[12:03] [Darekill] speack you know I like evil ideas.
[12:03] [Darekill] speak..
[12:04] [MasterZen] if GoW and GS attack Lego, maybe ND can then attack GS various
turns later after we do some damage to Lego
[12:04] [Darekill] no ck..
[12:04] [MasterZen] that would be fun...
[12:04] [MasterZen] with the bulk of their army in Legoland
[12:04] [Darekill] :g:
[12:04] [Darekill] oh yeah..
[12:04] [MasterZen] of course, Lego would have to be crippled a bit (or a lot)
[12:04] [Darekill] And it would be much better to sell...
[12:05] [Darekill] But we'd still need a very big army.
[12:05] [Darekill] And ships at the wrong coast.
[12:06] [Darekill] but itS' tempting...
[12:06] [MasterZen] very
[12:06] [Darekill] How would GS react.
[12:06] [MasterZen] who cares! they'd be dead!
[12:06] [Darekill] They'D call for you to help them.
[12:07] [MasterZen] and technically we could'nt because our army would be in
Legoland too :P
[12:07] [Darekill] How long would they have time to see what'S going to come.
[12:07] [Darekill] Can we cross the sea in two turns?
[12:08] [MasterZen] ND can
[12:08] [Darekill] That would leve them only one turn to react.
[12:08] [Darekill] We'D need Marines.
[12:08] [MasterZen] and they can't bring back the army in 2 turns
[12:09] [Darekill] To conquer a coast town and put in the Rest of the picnic team...
[12:09] [MasterZen] yep
[12:09] [Darekill] You'D just kill them on their way home.
[12:10] [Darekill] But at this time Lego must be beaten up very heavy.
[12:10] [MasterZen] yes, hopefully
[12:11] [Darekill] O.K. before anything of this can happen we must have the alliance
signed.
[12:11] [MasterZen] sure
[12:11] [Darekill] we must have the confidence that on borc is almost no military
needed. Just some on the coast.
[12:11] [MasterZen] I can begin writing a draft and can send it to you on the
weekend, then you guys can revise it add/remove stuff and then we sign it and send
it to Trip
[12:12] [Darekill] Fine!
[12:12] [Darekill] ThatS' the way we do it.
[12:12] [MasterZen] sehr gut!
[12:13] [Darekill] We can make it in two Languages. Bongo can translate too and Trip
knows enough to aprove that the german version is the same as the englicsh one.
[12:13] [MasterZen] ok
[12:14] [Darekill] You send me the draft. I put it in our forum and translate it
there.
[12:14] [MasterZen] bongo is active in your team?
[12:14] [Darekill] then we'D add something or in the ideal case nothing
[12:14] [Darekill] And I#ll send you our Version. in both versions the translated
one and the english one.
[12:15] [MasterZen] sounds perfect
[12:15] [Darekill] It is...
[12:16] [MasterZen] I think my team is going to like it
[12:16] [MasterZen] anything that implies war and savagery is sure to make them
drool with glee
[12:17] [Darekill] They are not much different to my people.
[12:17] [Darekill] and not so different from me
[12:18] [Darekill] Just some need to be reminded that one game is one thing and
another one is another one
[12:18] [MasterZen] hehhe
[12:18] [MasterZen] are you active in that "other" one?
[12:18] [Darekill] there were voices that warned me not to ally with the friends of
neta.
[12:18] [MasterZen] hahaha
[12:18] [Darekill] I sometimes add my advice in some military decisions.
[12:19] [MasterZen] well, you guys fought really well
[12:19] [Darekill] Neta was...
[12:19] [Darekill] Ummm..
[12:19] [Darekill] Unwise?
[12:19] [MasterZen] not entirely competent, yes, we noticed
[12:19] [Darekill] They made our job more easy than the would have needed to.
[12:20] [Darekill] But we should avoid that terrain since the other game is realy
another one...
[12:20] [MasterZen] well yes, not that I've ever considered them similar
[12:20] [MasterZen] my friends in the ISDG are my enemies in the PTWDG and vice
versa... hehehe
[12:21] [Darekill] That's the way it is.
[12:21] [MasterZen] more fun that way
[12:22] [Darekill] If you play pbem's you know that trusted friends in one game are
most dangerous enemys elsewhere and it's got nothing to do with persons.
[12:22] [MasterZen] ultimately it's just a game. we're all part of the civ3 community
[12:22] [MasterZen] which is why I am a bit sad that the PTWDG caused so much anger
during the RP war
[12:23] [Darekill] I just despice the fact that there are people that just do not
see this.
[12:23] [MasterZen] and the ISDG too. We really do not like GCA's attitude sometimes.
[12:23] [Darekill] They take it personal. I hate that, it takes away the fun.
[12:23] [MasterZen] yeah
[12:24] [Darekill] Well enough said for this chat.
[12:24] [Darekill] I've got to go.
[12:24] [MasterZen] ok
[12:24] [MasterZen] cya next week
[12:24] [Darekill] I'm waiting for the draft.
[12:25] [MasterZen] yes, I'll try and write it tonight or tomorrow
[12:25] [Darekill] c.u.
[12:25] [Darekill] Sehr gut.
[12:25] [MasterZen] tres bien
[12:25] [Darekill] Auf wiedersehen.
[12:25] [MasterZen] au revoir
End of #gow_cofa buffer Fri Jun 11 12:25:56 2004
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