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**Master Zen** · February 14, 2004, 23:37

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part II

[15:17] [MasterZen] the other possibility is beating them to Tanks by a long shot
and then doing a late industrial war
[15:17] [Cort] Nice to hit 'em before rails, though.
[15:17] [MasterZen] yeah
[15:18] [Cort] Why don't they make a sea wall? It's only 100 tiles.
[15:18] [MasterZen] maybe they don't have 100 units...
[15:18] [Cort] Are they still on Bob?
[15:18] [asleepathewheel] have they withdrawn their knights from bob?
[15:18] [asleepathewheel] doh
[15:18] [Cort] Stormians think alike!
[15:19] [MasterZen] lol
[15:19] [MasterZen] I don't see any
[15:20] [MasterZen] well let's agree on something
[15:20] [Cort] We have two galleys left, I think, we could check. I'm amazed, we
milk every damn tiler on our huble island and on Bon it's all left to the
wildlike. Amazing
[15:20] [Cort] forget all that
[15:20] [MasterZen] what the hell happened to all the other galleys?
[15:20] [Cort] keyboard trubble
[15:20] [Cort] Yes, agreement.
[15:20] [MasterZen] Re: 1)
[15:21] [MasterZen] In theory we do ND - Nat, GoW - Med, GS - Steam
[15:21] [Cort] Yes.
[15:21] [MasterZen] we keep an eye out though for Vox, perhaps they might be
willing to trade
[15:21] [Cort] OK
[15:22] * MasterZen has been sucking up to Vox as of late precisely thinking of
that...
[15:22] [Cort] is that what the wine is all about
[15:22] [MasterZen] well maybe I can get them drunk too

[15:22] [Cort] lol
[15:23] [Cort] We have an idea about Vox
[15:23] [MasterZen] then again, it's usally me who's drunk... hehe
[15:23] [Cort] - but we're confused.
[15:23] [MasterZen] i'm all ears
[15:24] [Cort] I mean, we assume that Vox is working for Lego, but in our deals
they seem almost independent.
[15:24] [Cort] THey're trying to flog us Democracy.
[15:24] [Cort] Thay won't take lux, they want cash or tech
[15:24] [MasterZen] well. IMO, they're on their own but probably giving/receiveing
techs with Lego
[15:24] [Cort] But every time we get a tech that Lego has, Vox gets it that turn.
[15:26] [Cort] We think they're trying to trade Demo for a mandatory tech that Lego
don't have. We said "you'll have to wait before we can pay you physics, for
certain other parties to get it"
[15:26] [Cort] And we're waiting to see what they say to that. Why would they try
to trade for tech, when Lego will give them it all,
[15:27] [Cort] to get thm into the Ind Age for the freebie.
[15:27] [MasterZen] of course
[15:27] [MasterZen] you know, if Lux were still around, we'd probably be
gang-banging them to give us their free tech too

[15:28] [Cort] We might try and get RP to find out for us. they and Vox have ...
empathy
[15:28] [MasterZen] lol!
[15:29] [Cort] MZ, whad do you think of a stack of RP conquistadors teaming through
the dark heart of Lego and pillaging their resources?
[15:29] [MasterZen] whoa, that'd be interesting
[15:29] [MasterZen] explorer/conquistador pillaging is a devastating tactic
[15:30] [MasterZen] we had so much fun with it in a modern start MP I played a few
months ago
[15:30] [Cort] I bet they'd be interested. THey have some time left on Navigation,
though. It might be too late for your window.
[15:31] [Cort] Speaking of Navigation- Lego have started Magellan
[15:31] [MasterZen] yeah you told us that a while ago
[15:31] [Cort] If it was a prebuild its GA next turn
[15:32] [Cort] How about spying on Jackson? It's 178g. We could split that 3 ways
and reveal some map. In fact, we could buy much of their map through investigating
[15:33] [MasterZen] true
[15:33] [MasterZen] maybe we'll reveal the giant doughnut shape
[15:33] [Cort]

Maybe wait a few turns on Jackson to see if they Build Smith's
(GA) or Sistine.
[15:34] [MasterZen] GoW would have to wait a bit too, we're a bit short on funds
right now
[15:34] [MasterZen] would ND agree to this?
[15:34] * MasterZen looks at Zayxus...
[15:35] [Cort] If they get their GA now it'll be too early for them. As long as
non-one trades them Physics, Magnetism and ToG, they'll waste their GA not being
able to research IA tech, and go 4 turn on MA tech instead.
[15:36] [Cort] Funds - yeah, sorry 'bout that, Magnets are ready when you are, btw

[15:36] [MasterZen] ahh good
[15:37] [Cort] Frigates! Ocean!
[15:37] [MasterZen] we have to scrape up the 200g first. I'd calculate in about 6-7
turns we'll send you the cash and tech
[15:37] [Cort] :gasp: we can wait for the cash. We need Metallurgy before that.
[15:37] [MasterZen] ok, we can trade techs this very turn
[15:38] [Cort] Then it's just ToG.
[15:38] [MasterZen] pretty much
[15:40] [MasterZen] can we also agree that IF we decide to attack Lego, it has to
be a joint GoW/ND/GS affair. If any of us doesn't want to, it just can't happen
(successfuly)
[15:40] [Cort] What do you need us for, apart from our obselete units well away
from your ass?
[15:41] [MasterZen] surely GS can field about 20-30 cavs in the medium term?
[15:41] [MasterZen] obviously if you decide to assist, we'd provide GS with
saltpeter
[15:43] [Cort] I see, that would help, but we've burned our boats. They're mostly
now a library.
[15:43] [MasterZen] oh my, GS has turned hippie...

[15:43] [Cort] Fraid so.
[15:44] [Cort] We thought you'd be pleased
[15:44] [MasterZen] where's your warmonger bunch, Arrian Theseus and SR?
[15:45] [Cort] SR is retiring from DG play,
[15:45] [Cort] Theseus wants to build a space ship,
[15:47] [Cort] and Arrian is retaining the war-chickens as schoolteachers. We're
very happy
[15:47] [MasterZen] I see
[15:48] [Cort] You guys can have a ton of Cav pretty soon
[15:48] [MasterZen] you are aware that there's a big possibility that Stormia might
not have at least one space ship resource? Lego on the other hand...
[15:48] [Cort] I was joking about the space ship
[15:48] [Cort] We'd get our asses nuked long before that.
[15:49] [MasterZen] you know, it'd be funny as hell if Lego lacked uranium
[15:50] [Cort] Yes, it would. What terrain types does it appear on?
[15:51] [MasterZen] I believe forest, tundra... hills?
[15:51] [Trip] hehe
[15:51] * Trip goes to look where the uranium is...
[15:52] [Cort] So, are you worried about your butt, or do you actually NEED another
20-30 units
[15:52] [Trip] mountains
[15:52] [MasterZen] a bit of both actually
[15:52] [Cort] We've discussed it as a contingency, but we'd need to know what the
war aims are,
[15:52] [Trip] forest
[15:52] [Trip] not hills
[15:52] [MasterZen] war aims: reduction of Lego to the point that it is no longer a
sure-fire winner
[15:53] [Cort] sounds reasonable
[15:53] [MasterZen] obviously complete destruction of Lego is well near impossible
[15:53] [MasterZen] but a quick devastating strike against their core might do
enough damange
[15:53] [Cort] they need clipping, though
[15:54] [MasterZen] and I figure that the 3 of us together can probably pull it off
[15:54] [MasterZen] I mean, 30 cavs each = 90
[15:54] [Cort] a quick strike on the core sounds good
[15:55] [Cort] That would leave GoW and ND with about 20 each to come and take
Stormia ...
[15:56] [MasterZen] yes pretty much... err... wait :P
[15:57] [asleepathewheel] Good job cort, you tricked him. mwahaha
[15:57] [MasterZen] dammit... all these years doing diplomacy only to slip up at
the most obvious ruse...

[15:58] [Cort] So no GS in the attack, no hit on Lego. Is that the bottom line?
[15:58] [MasterZen] pretty much
[15:59] [MasterZen] I mean seriously, I'm willing to give GS whatever assurances it
wants that we'll not use it to attack stormia. I understand your paranoia just
the same as we are paranoid of going alone
[15:59] [asleepathewheel] we just remember Vox's second trip to Bob...
[16:00] [Cort] We can put it to the team. The attack would have to be soon, though.
How soon did you have in mind?
[16:00] [opd] why not just
[16:00] [opd] embargo them
[16:00] [MasterZen] seriously, if I had to choose where to wield the might of GoW's
army, I'd definitley use it where it matters most. If we go to war with GS it
only gives Lego more time to win
[16:01] [Cort] Yes, we were looking at economic measures to weaken Lego
[16:02] [MasterZen] i'm not against that either

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[16:02] [Cort] A tech loop between GoW/ND/GS would lock Lego out - followed later
by a luxury embargo to stop them growing cities much above 12
[16:03] [MasterZen] well, can I ask you a question?
[16:03] [Cort] WGo on
[16:04] [MasterZen] assuming we do that, what's GS's hope of victory other than
space race with the less than certain odds of having every resource?
[16:04] [Cort] We don't have a victury plan, just a survival plan.
[16:05] [MasterZen] well, your unit wall is a survival plan in itself :P
[16:05] [Cort] It's phase 1
[16:05] [aggie] we saw it

[16:05] [Cort] please come and look. It's very nice.
[16:05] [MasterZen] I already did

[16:06] [MasterZen] it's worse than U.S. Customs at JFK Airport after 9/11

[16:06] [aggie] I wouldn't go that far MZ
[16:06] [Cort] You guys have enough strength to hurt Lego without us. that leaves
your security. We can work on that.
[16:07] [MasterZen] not even a token expeditionary force?
[16:08] [MasterZen] I mean, we'd end up splitting the conquered territories after
all...
[16:08] [Cort] We wouldn't be able to hold them from you. Or Lego. they'll still be
there.
[16:09] [MasterZen] seriously, wouldn't providing GS with saltpeter be proof enough
of our intentions?
[16:10] [opd] yeah but you don't really need us?
[16:10] [Cort] Quite possibly, one for the team to consider. A token force is not
unthinkable ...
[16:11] [MasterZen] my point is that the more troops we can manage, the more
certain our victory, and the bigger the spoils
[16:12] [Cort] We're not confident of holding those spoils, but what do you
envisage - trash a few cities in the core and replace them with our own?
[16:13] [aggie] the main point if we choose this course could be a scorched earch
policy to destroy the economic and military poterntial of Lego
[16:13] [MasterZen] and keep their resources
[16:14] [MasterZen] and brag in the public forum

[16:15] [Trip] mainly the last part :P
[16:16] [Cort] THat'd be a GoW thang
[16:16] [MasterZen] you know the whole reason for this is to provide entertainment
for Trip :P
[16:16] [Trip] of course...
[16:16] [Trip]

[16:17] [Cort] Trimming that Green blob would be great. Entertainment for Vox, too.
They might see something this time.
[16:17] [Trip] it's fun predicting how things will turn and watching things unfold

[16:17] * Trip thinks Legoland ought to have had a neighbor :P
[16:17] [MasterZen] err.. they do have a neighbor :P
[16:18] [Cort] Yeah, did Lego edit the map or something at the begining?
[16:18] [Trip] :P
[16:18] [Trip] a neighbor to start the game, that is
[16:18] [MasterZen] wait, just you wait... unitl you see the doughnut hole! :P
[16:18] [Trip] NYE was the one that started the game, IIRC :P
[16:19] [Trip] it'd be kind of hard for Lego to mod the map :P
[16:19] [Cort] 480 tiles for one civ. Lucky them.
[16:19] [Trip] I don't know if anyone saw the thread I posted a while back
[16:20] [Trip] about if there were an 8th civ
[16:20] [MasterZen] I did
[16:20] [MasterZen] they'd be RP's neighbors :P
[16:20] [Trip] it would have been west of RP

[16:21] [Cort] So we're agreed on everything except commitment of GS troops against
Lego...
[16:21] [MasterZen] yeah
[16:21] [MasterZen] well, it's not like GoW and ND participation is 100% assured
either :P
[16:21] [MasterZen] but I like to bring up the ideas first

[16:24] [Cort] So if GS don't join in, it doesn't happen. What happens to all those
units if you don't attack Lego? No, I mustn;t ask that

[16:24] [MasterZen] well, I haven't really said that either...
[16:25] [MasterZen] but I'd say the chances of attacking Lego are greatly
diminished...
[16:25] [Cort] OK, this needs to be taken back to the forum
[16:25] [MasterZen] sure thang
[16:25] [Cort] But on the tech deal ... does that still sound good?
[16:26] [MasterZen] oh definitely

[16:26] [MasterZen] does ND like the idea too?
[16:28] [Zayxus] yeah
[16:29] [Cort] great!
[16:30] [MasterZen] cool, I'll see if I can hog something out of Vox though
[16:30] [MasterZen] (the things I do for a free tech...)
[16:30] [Cort] so we are concluded for now?
[16:30] [MasterZen] yeah, at least on my part
[16:31] [MasterZen] who wants logs?
[16:31] [Cort] yes please
[16:31] [MasterZen] to the address you sent me the e-mail right before the chat?
[16:31] [Cort] Yes - thanks
[16:31] [MasterZen] ok
[16:32] * Trip has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[16:32] [MasterZen] yey, he left, now we can goof off :P
[16:32] * Trip has joined #gow_cofa
[16:32] [MasterZen] well, I am hungry, and I have a nice big piece of salmon in the
fridge whispering "eat me... eat me"
[16:33] [MasterZen] and I feel so bad if I didn't comply

[16:33] [Cort] ok , thanks everone, 'till next time. And PM's meantime
[16:33] * aggie has left #gow_cofa
[16:33] [MasterZen] great
[16:33] [MasterZen] nice to have you guys around
[16:33] [Cort] you too - cya
[16:33] [MasterZen] I can honestly say it is now a pleasure to chat with GS

[16:33] [Cort]

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[16:34] [Zayxus]

[16:34] [Trip]

[16:34] [asleepathewheel] oh this is over? I enjoyed listening in, later.
[16:34] [MasterZen] cya sleepy
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**Panzer32** · February 15, 2004, 00:19

mwahaha... lets get Legos!

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