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Originally posted by Shiber
No.
First they made us promise to sign a NAP in a chat. Then they told us about their plans to attack RP with the help of ND.
Later, in a joint GS-GoW-ND chat, we were told that any GS presence on Bob is unwelcome and that we can't actively participate in this war as well, or we can help GoW and ND but in the end we'll have to give away anything that we conquer.
GoW told us that they signed a NAP with us in order to prevent ND from backstabbing them. But after the joint chat, it became clear that this was also a scam that GoW pulled on us in an attempt to prevent us from intervening while they and ND split up a continent that is more than three times larger than Stormia, according to the tile count.
IMHO, the spirit of the agreement that GS agreed to was to prevent ND from using us to backstab GoW. A day or two later (after the NAP was already signed, IIRC) GoW tried to stretch the spirit of the agreement to include that GS establishing presence on Bob without the consent of GoW would constitute an act of hostility, as forbidden by the NAP. But changes to a contract cannot be made retroactively, at least not without the consent of all parties involved, and we have made very obvious statements during the chat against GoW's plans for GS.
No.
First they made us promise to sign a NAP in a chat. Then they told us about their plans to attack RP with the help of ND.
Later, in a joint GS-GoW-ND chat, we were told that any GS presence on Bob is unwelcome and that we can't actively participate in this war as well, or we can help GoW and ND but in the end we'll have to give away anything that we conquer.
GoW told us that they signed a NAP with us in order to prevent ND from backstabbing them. But after the joint chat, it became clear that this was also a scam that GoW pulled on us in an attempt to prevent us from intervening while they and ND split up a continent that is more than three times larger than Stormia, according to the tile count.
IMHO, the spirit of the agreement that GS agreed to was to prevent ND from using us to backstab GoW. A day or two later (after the NAP was already signed, IIRC) GoW tried to stretch the spirit of the agreement to include that GS establishing presence on Bob without the consent of GoW would constitute an act of hostility, as forbidden by the NAP. But changes to a contract cannot be made retroactively, at least not without the consent of all parties involved, and we have made very obvious statements during the chat against GoW's plans for GS.
1) GoW was considering who it needed to attack with its UUs. Both Roleplay and GS were considering very real theats to our existence. GS refused to sign a NAP which made us feel it was very likely they were preparing to take us out by themselves or more likely with another team.
2) UnOrthOdOx worked very hard to prevent a war with GS. He send pms and organized chats, which is very difficult with GS as their pms and communication are slow due to the nature of the way they make their decisions. It was in these chats that notyoueither began suggesting that GoW should attaack Roleplay. He continued to push this and during this he hinted that if we in fact GS was very gung ho on the assault on Roleplay.
Excerpts from the ND/GoW/GS chat:
[13:21] [MasterZen] May our treacherous enemies from RP be squashed like bugs
[13:21] [DeepO] Amen
Later:
IN REGARDS TO ROLEPLAY
[13:54] [[GS]zeit] As for us- we have no intentions of lending them a hand
[13:55] [MasterZen] good, I'll be glad to see how they've dug their own hole by lying to everyone
[13:56] [[GS]zeit] we've no desire to help this conflict stretch longer
[13:57] [MasterZen] me neither
[13:57] [[ND]Darek] we are not the big war fans. But what has to be, has to be
[13:58] [[GS]zeit] Like UnO said- its more about interests than that- they have kept a huge portion of Bob for themselves- they should back it with good diplomacy, but they havn't
And there was a lot more. Shiber's BLATANT LIES that GS didn't understand what they were getting into and hadn't realized GoW and ND were going to attack Roleplay are exactly that. It was their suggestion and they turned coat when enough money/cities were offered to them.
Do I hold this against GS? No, it was in their best interest. But, their lying about stuff in posts such as the previous is going too far. Beta's was done in fun and humor and no one took it seriously. The post above was an attempt to declare a falsehood as fact.
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