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Session Start: Thu Jul 31 13:33:42 2003
Session Ident: #gow_cofa
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[vondrack]
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[vondrack] may I ask a preliminary question about your research?
[Panzer32] sure
[vondrack] how long before you finish Invention (at the current sci rate)?
[vondrack] and how long at 100%?
[Panzer32] 11 turns as of last turn, but we hope to increase with our GA
[vondrack] that's great news
[Panzer32] 100%...
[Panzer32] one minute
[vondrack] k
[vondrack] and tell me how much gpt you'd need to balance your cashflow then
[vondrack] btw - not in your GA yet?
[Panzer32] at 100%, it is 7 turns with -60gpt (currently running at -11gpt)
[Panzer32] not yet but most likely next turn
[vondrack] may I invite ZargonX?
[vondrack] he's online
[Panzer32] go ahead
[vondrack] will be here for the chat, too
[vondrack] thanks
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[vondrack] see, I am thinking of speeding your research as much as possible, getting Invention from you just after we finish Astronomy
[vondrack] and then doing Gunpowder as fast as possible
[vondrack] providing it to you & ND
[ZargonX] isn't there a way to hide this channel?
[vondrack] I think it is already hidden
[vondrack] or, "secret"
[ZargonX] ok, good
* vondrack sets mode: +o ZargonX
[ZargonX] don't want anyone wandering in here to see what's up
[vondrack] right, definitely
* Panzer32 sets mode: +k jduf
[vondrack] we should perhaps revisit the idea after you get into your GA, Panzer
[Panzer32] thats the password
[vondrack] you may be just fast enough for us
[vondrack] then
[vondrack] Astronomy in 5 here
[Panzer32] ah
[vondrack] but do not tell GS...
[Panzer32] yes
[vondrack] and we could probably use a turn or two with 100% tax anyway
[Panzer32] btw, do you guys have embassies with either GS or RP?
[ZargonX] no, we do not
[vondrack] nope
[vondrack] do we allow Trip here?
[Panzer32] sure
[vondrack] k
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[Panzer32] busy for a couple minutes...
[ZargonX] I am expecting a maintainance man at my apartment, so please excuse me if I have to duck out suddenly
[vondrack] k
[ZargonX] I guess ND will be here soon
[vondrack] I hope so
[vondrack] in the meantime... Panzer, will you mind if we establish an embassy with you this turn? it will be necessary for RoP
[Panzer32] thats fine
[ZargonX]
[ZargonX] excellent
[Panzer32] unbusy btw
[vondrack] ok, that's 69 gold... first alliance costs
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[[ND]Darekill] Hi!
[vondrack] hello!
[ZargonX] hello, Darekill!
[Panzer32] hi Darekill
[[ND]Darekill] Hi Gow, Legos, Friends
[vondrack]
[[ND]Darekill] I'm waiting for some more of my people to show up
[vondrack] of course, take your time
[ZargonX] oh, excuse me for a bit, everyone
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[vondrack] Darekill, can you tell Zayxus to come here, please?
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[vondrack] great
[[ND]Darekill] I told him as you can see
* vondrack sets mode: +ooo Trip Zayxus [ND]Darekill
[vondrack]
* Zayxus is now known as [ND]Zayxus
[Panzer32] Master Zen is unfortunatly probably unable to make the chat
[vondrack] we (Lego) will not use the team prefixes... someone could take the hint...
[[ND]Darekill] having some flamewars to lead
[vondrack] hehe
[vondrack] it is ridiculous...
[Panzer32] Shall we start now?
[[ND]Darekill] Yes let's start.
[vondrack] ok
[[ND]Darekill] maybe borc will show up but I don'T know when
[vondrack] who's going to take the lead?
[Panzer32] I can
[vondrack] k, go ahead
[Panzer32] There are currently two different opionions in GoW about Legoland helping us
[Panzer32] one is that Legoland should immediatly start transporting troops to Bob (of which I am myself a supporter)
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[redstar1] heyy
[redstar1] hey trip, fancy seeing you here
[vondrack] hey, redstar! silence, please
[Panzer32] the other is that Legoland should lie low until they can help in a major way, i.e. invasion of Estormia.
[redstar1] :X
[vondrack] ok, let me point out one thing, plese
[vondrack] *please
[Panzer32] go ahead
[vondrack] we are NOT going to invade Stormia
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o redstar1
[vondrack] not now, not later
[Panzer32] ok
[vondrack] our goal is to help you on Bob
[Panzer32] I didn't think so
[[ND]Darekill] I did
[vondrack]
[vondrack] ok, this leaves one option out, I guess...
[Panzer32] I guess it does
[[ND]Darekill] We have no Problem in leaving you a city in the south for the planned expedition force.
[vondrack] ok, fine, that will make things easier
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[vondrack] we will not need it immediately, but I am glad you do not mind
[vondrack] gimme three minutes to eat my supper, please
[Panzer32] Where is it that you plan to ferry troops across?
[Panzer32] sure
[[ND]Darekill] do you plan to keep it after the war?
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o [ND]Borc
[vondrack] no, we would hand it over to you after the war
[vondrack] we have no desire for a permanent presence on Bob
[redstar1] or remove it...
[redstar1] its unlikely to be in an ideal city placement location
[vondrack] yeah, whatever
[[ND]Darekill] fine thats even better then.
[redstar1] i would imagine it would be on a hill
[vondrack] almost done eating
[redstar1] anything i've missed while V stuffs his face?
[vondrack] ok, supper eaten
[vondrack] may I take the lead now?
[[ND]Darekill] go ahead.
[vondrack] thanks
[vondrack] I would like to use this opportunity to make sure we all understand our goals the same way
[vondrack] and there is no misunderstanding about the scope of our involvement in the war
[vondrack] so:
[vondrack] Legoland will not get directly involved in the war against RP
[vondrack] unless RP attack us, of course
[vondrack] Legoland will not invade Stormia, unless GS invades Legos
[vondrack] for us, the ultimate goal of this war is to have Bob divided between GoW & ND
[vondrack] sealing GS on Stormia
[vondrack] getting rid of RP
[vondrack] Voxes will have Legos Minor
[vondrack] we will have Legos Major
[vondrack] once this is achieved, we will consider our goal reached and will reconsider our further involvement
[vondrack] is this okay with both of your teams?
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[[ND]Darekill] It is what I expected you will want.
* Donegeal is now known as [GoW]Donegeal
[vondrack] yes - we talked about it during the previous chat
[[ND]Darekill] one think though is unclear.
[vondrack] yes?
[[ND]Darekill] if you want RP gone
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o [GoW]Donegeal
[[ND]Darekill] why not actualy help getting rid of them.
[vondrack] we would break a treaty
[[ND]Darekill] That is acceptable.
[vondrack] to be precise
[vondrack] there is a date set
[redstar1] i think we would also be more useful in dealing with GS directly, we have nothing on Bob to defend as such
[vondrack] after which we would be free to attack
[vondrack] but it is confidential and not in the near future
[[ND]Darekill] all right.
[[ND]Borc] :top:
[vondrack] now, for the help
[vondrack] I have PMed both of you (Darekill & Panzer)
[vondrack] with some ideas
[vondrack] may I have your comments on them?
[vondrack] what do you need most?
[vondrack] or, we might break the discussion into smaller parts
[vondrack] let's start with easy stuff
[Panzer32] sure
[vondrack] LUXURIES:
[[ND]Darekill] It's Ok. just a few minutes.
[vondrack] in 5 turns, we will be able to provide both of you with dyes
[[ND]Darekill] Panzer may start.
[vondrack] ok
[Panzer32] yes, we could use them. We were trading with both RP and GS for luxuries so I believe we might run into unhappiness
[Panzer32] Also, we can easily give you wines in return
[vondrack] great
[vondrack] Darekill, what luxury/ies do you have a surplus of?
[[ND]Darekill] right now we have spices.
[[ND]Darekill] but soon we will hafe silk too.
[vondrack] only two of them, right?
[[ND]Darekill] yes.
[vondrack] it may be better if you give the extra silk to GoW
[[ND]Darekill] But therel be diamonds too
[vondrack] their war weariness will be higher
[[ND]Darekill] Two first maybe more later and still later we hope to get ivory.
[[GoW]Donegeal] WW doesn't play as significant a part in MP games...
[vondrack] ok - we would respectfully ask for whatever luxury you will have more than 2 of...
[[ND]Darekill] so we give GoW the silk and you the diamonds.
[Panzer32] (since GoW has diamonds
[vondrack]
[[ND]Darekill] is that o.k. with you Panzer?
[Panzer32] ^
[vondrack] ok... I suggest a very simple principle
[vondrack] for the duration of our alliance
[vondrack] we share the luxuries "for free"
[[ND]Darekill] agreed.
[Panzer32] yes, agreed
[vondrack] everybody gives whatever is possible
[vondrack] great
[vondrack] next point:
[vondrack] RESEARCH
[vondrack] what are you, guys, researching?
[vondrack] I know about GoW
[[ND]Darekill] We research almost nothing.
[vondrack] we are doing Astronomy
[vondrack] ok, that's what we assumed
[vondrack] it's probably better this way
[[ND]Darekill] We are with zero Research at Printing Press
[Panzer32] hey MZ's here!
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[MasterZen] hello everyone
[vondrack] hello, MZ!
[redstar1] hey
[vondrack] ok, here is an idea:
[[ND]Darekill] Hello oh great Barbarian brother and hero of the flame wars
[vondrack] we finish Astronomy in 5 turns
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o MasterZen
[vondrack] that's a solid ETA
[MasterZen] hahaha, hi Darekill
[[GoW]Donegeal] perchance ND and GoW should research (to get two techs instead of one) while Lego funds our war efforts?
[vondrack] we then gift the tech to both of you
[redstar1] yeah, Zargon is waiting on more lenses being delivered
[vondrack] and wait for GoW to finish Invention, saving some cash
[vondrack] once we get Invention, we go full speed for Gunpowder
[vondrack] (we are the fastest researchers out of us three, I believe)
[[ND]Darekill] Good we could raise our Research but it'll leave us less money for rushs
[vondrack] once discovered, you get it from us immediately
[vondrack] I do not think you need to raise your science, Darekill
[vondrack] not yet
[vondrack] nothing to research, actually
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[MasterZen] sounds like a solid plan
[vondrack] PP is already covered
[[ND]Darekill] good then we can suport some money when needed.
[vondrack] we might use some of your gold to speed for the gunpowder as fast as possible once we start researching it
[vondrack] yes, good
[vondrack] we understand each other
[redstar1] gunpowder is key, yeah
[vondrack] just a sec, I will try to estimate the ETA on gunpowder
[redstar1] 17? or are my sums out?
[vondrack] we could do it in 6 turns (right now) , if you help us with cash
[redstar1] thats been known to happen right enough..
[vondrack] add whatever you need to finish Invention
[redstar1] 7:P
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[vondrack] we would need you to help us with ~85 gpt (to allow running at 100% research)
[NeMeSiS] hi all
[vondrack] hi!
* Looking up NeMeSiS user info...
[NeMeSiS] sorry for beeing late
[GhengisFarb] So are we going to have an official alliance between ND, GoW, and Lego?
[NeMeSiS] -e
[vondrack] it may actually be less, since we are finishing some markets and founding some cities and such...
* NeMeSiS is now known as [ND]NeMeSiS
[vondrack] what I am quoting is the status as of this turn
[vondrack] do you think it would be doable?
[[ND]Darekill] 85 is a lot of cash though..
[vondrack] yes, it is
[[ND]Darekill] we maybe get 50
[vondrack] Panzer?
[Panzer32] just a sec...
[vondrack] k
[[ND]Darekill] We have abour 200 gpT but we need some for rushs
[vondrack] understood
[Panzer32] at 0% science we have 66gpt
[MasterZen] but that's pre-GA
[vondrack] right... lemme re-check our potential
[Panzer32] right...
[Panzer32] estimate maybe 90gpt
[vondrack] 7 turns for the powder at -66 gpt
[vondrack] for us now
[vondrack] should be better when we get to researching it actually
[vondrack] I suggest we set solid deadlines once GoW enter their GA, ok?
[Panzer32] ok. Expected GA next turn
[vondrack] but I take it everybody agrees this is a good idea, right?
[Panzer32] yeah. Sooner we get Gunpowder = sooner GS' knights are innefective
[vondrack] yep - that was my thinking
[vondrack] Darekill?
* Panzer32 sets mode: +oo GhengisFarb [ND]NeMeSiS
[MasterZen] sounds great if you ask me
[[GoW]Donegeal] you want to really stir things up? How about have Lego talk to Vox to send a single solitary warrior to lego and have it be killed by a NM and have Lego enter a GA as well... MONEY AND RESEARCH ABOUND!!!!
[vondrack] ummm... that sound too cheesy to me
[[ND]Darekill] I have four chat channel blinking like crazy....
[vondrack] I know it would work, but it is somehow...
[[GoW]Donegeal] just an idea...
[vondrack] I would prefer not doing that
[MasterZen] I think that Lego should hold on to it's GA to a time in which it is more needed
[vondrack] yes, I think so, too
[[GoW]Donegeal] more needed?
[MasterZen] perhaps for a definitive assault on GS in the future...
[vondrack] plus, we are now expanding a bit - GA later will bring more
[[ND]Darekill] so now how is the finacial situation.
[[GoW]Donegeal] IF we loose this war GS will win the game! How much more needed does it need to get?
[[ND]Darekill] Lego how much do ayou need from us for 100% research and how long.
[vondrack] ok - Darekill, you cool with the research plan?
[[ND]Darekill] Yes of course.
[vondrack] errr... just a sec
[vondrack] as I said, at this very moment, 100% science would mean -85 gpt for us
[vondrack] but it will be less after ~7 turns
[vondrack] which GoW will need to get to Invention
[[ND]Darekill] how much can GoW give per turn?
* GhengisFarb is now known as [GoW]GhengisFarb
[Panzer32] up to about 90gpt with GA
[vondrack] My rough estimate is that we will need 60 gpt max
[Panzer32] I'm just wondering here about invention; will ND give us anything for it?
[vondrack] we are going to up our commerce a bit in the near future
[[ND]Darekill] we should share resources and research fairly.
[[ND]Darekill] We have iron and 200g/t
[vondrack] yes, I believe this is about US THREE getting the most
[[ND]Darekill] some luxury and some Ansar.
[vondrack] this is no time for bargaining over separate deals
[Panzer32] right. But will we are working in the -gpt to get Invention finished while ND rakes up the cash
[vondrack] perhaps ND could help you finish Inv in ~7 turns?
[[ND]Darekill] we always payed fair for what we got didn't we?
[[ND]Darekill] How much do you need to get out of the .- Panzer
[Panzer32] of course you did; I'm just making sure my team doesn't fire me
[MasterZen] I'd rather have ND spend it on Ansars to send to the northeast in case GS lands
[MasterZen] Ansars are cheap, the opportunity cost of building them is ideal
[[GoW]Donegeal] however... invention means one step closer to Gunpower...
[[ND]Darekill] it is not like we would stockpile money
[MasterZen] look this is my idea:
[MasterZen] each country should have a specific role in all of this
[MasterZen] Lego is the inventor. 100% science
[MasterZen] GoW rakes the $$$, sends its to Lego
[[GoW]GhengisFarb] Stock[piled money isn't in GoW are ND's interests, if GS Roleplay somehows takes a city they could siphon off some of it.
[vondrack] hm, good point
[MasterZen] ND rakes the $$$, spends it on Ansars. Offensive units is what we need
[MasterZen] then raze all the cities :P
[vondrack] perhaps Trip could give us a lecture now?
[MasterZen] hhaha
[[ND]Darekill] *g*
[Panzer32] We don't keep the $$, we give it/spend it
[[ND]Darekill] trip you never get away without that joke from now on
[vondrack] ok, that should work... I believe it should not take long and Lego might be doing a tech every 4 turns
[[ND]Darekill] First of all Astronomy and invention must be ready at about the same time.
[vondrack] Astronomy will be ready in 5 turns
[vondrack] solid ETA
[[ND]Darekill] We can sport both of you with money to reach this goal asap.
[Panzer32] We need some extra $ to get invention done that quickly
[[ND]Darekill] how much
[vondrack] then help GoW, we are fast enough with Astro
[[ND]Darekill] we hold the cheque book
[Panzer32] unfortunatly I don't know, as we are not in GA yet
[vondrack] )
[[ND]Darekill] name a price we can make it with lum sum from turn to turn.
[Panzer32] *probably* not more than 30 gpt
[vondrack] ok - no problem, you can work this out between yourselves... we can certainly wait for few turns on 100% tax until Invention is ready
[Panzer32] we'll contact you with the details after the GA
[[ND]Darekill] O.K you get 40 the nbext few turns until you know how much you need.
[Panzer32] (has started)
[vondrack] ok, I think we can consider this finished, ok?
[[ND]Darekill] right.
[vondrack] next point:
[vondrack] DIPLOMACY
[vondrack] this is tricky
[vondrack] let me explain
[vondrack] at this moment, our relations with GS are "polite"
[vondrack] we have a tech trade prearranged
[vondrack] we are trading luxuries (thanks to the great lighthouse)
[vondrack] we are supposed to deliver Astronomy, getting Banking in return
[vondrack] we believe it will be best to honor the deal
[vondrack] not blowing our cover too soon
[[ND]Darekill] certainly
[[GoW]Donegeal] Galley upgrade to Caraval's right?
[vondrack] we DID send them a very strongly worded ambassadorial note
[MasterZen] did they answer?
[vondrack] making it totally clear that if they expand on Bob, we will NOT stay neutral
[vondrack] yes, they did
[vondrack] just bull****
[MasterZen] how surprising :P
[vondrack] so... we do not plan to arrange any more deals with them
[MasterZen] good
[vondrack] but we would still like to keep our involvement secret as long as possible
[vondrack] the longer they do not know
[vondrack] the better
[Panzer32] 4Just a note to wrap up the last point: I calculate we can do inv. in 7 turns with 0gpt
[vondrack] cool!
[vondrack] GS will get a hint once you two get Astro from us
[vondrack] so - the question is: do you need it?
[[ND]Darekill] still you would need some money to rush something right?
[vondrack] I mean - would you be able to make any use of Astronomy?
[vondrack] like building Caravels?
[Panzer32] well I guess we don't NEED it, but we do have 3 galleys that we might like to upgrade
[[GoW]Donegeal] come to think of it... we don't need Astro in this war...

[Panzer32]

[MasterZen] but GS can actually use it...
[[ND]Darekill] we would not need it soon.
[MasterZen] 3 transported units instead of 2, and defense of 2, that's not good news for us
[vondrack] not really, MZ - The Great Lighthouse does most of it for them already
[[ND]Darekill] another point astronomy triggers the spanish UU?
[vondrack] nope
[vondrack] Navigation
[[ND]Darekill] ah good.
[MasterZen] I don't mean the range, I mean the units which can be transported
[vondrack] if they do Navigation, they will not be doing gunpowder
[redstar1] RP are certainly after Nav....
[[ND]Darekill] We have no big navy but will it sufice for the trade that you have it.
[vondrack] right... though I believe that GS has a navy large enough to not care...
[vondrack] do you have any navy capable of attacking their transport vessels?
[MasterZen] not significant
[vondrack] do not get me wrong - we are ready to give Astro to you
[vondrack] just trying to find out if it is worth giving GS the hint
[Panzer32] 2 galleys near Port Isolation
[[ND]Darekill] our only harbor is Arnablanca..
[Panzer32] (and 1 on west coast)
[vondrack] So - both of you... think this over and let us know. We have 5 turns to discuss this.
[[ND]Darekill] + we have no city on the east coast.
[MasterZen] I'd rather give GS the hint by not giving them Astro at all... think about it, they can land 15 instead of 10 units with caravels in a turn
[[GoW]Donegeal] the only way GS would know would be if they checked for peace after you gave it to them....
[MasterZen] and caravels are pretty much indestructible by other galleys or caravels
[Panzer32] The thing is, if they have the hint, what can they do with it, recruit allies? I don't think so
[vondrack] that would mean breaking a treaty... and letting GS know VERY early we are going to fight them
[vondrack] they would be planning for three enemies, not just two
[vondrack] the three of us are barely enough to balance their power, believe me
[vondrack] they are a monster at this moment
[Panzer32] I think it would be worth it, but this is my opinion
[[GoW]Donegeal] say something came up and tell them Astro won't come for a couple of turns after you have giev it to us... we upgrade our navy and go after the b******s
[vondrack] they will know someone discovered Astro
[[GoW]Donegeal] how?
[vondrack] and the only team capable of that is us
[vondrack] checking the research cost
[vondrack] goes down
[vondrack] after someone learns the tech
[[GoW]Donegeal] where... I don't know what your talking about...
[vondrack] they will know the very turn we get it
[vondrack] on the F6 screen
[[GoW]Donegeal] yes but in MP the other teams don't get to see what techs you have!!!!
[vondrack] no - that's something different
[Panzer32] the # of turns to research goes down, Donegeal
[vondrack] if you hover over a tech on the F6 screen
[vondrack] it shows the number of turn to research it
[vondrack] based on your current beaker output
[Panzer32] Its a tricky science and I dont think any GoW member has ever done it
[vondrack] they check it every turn, I am very sure
[MasterZen] yeah, it's a common espionage trick
[[ND]Darekill] That was how RP found out about Chiv.
[vondrack] besides...
[vondrack] let me elaborate a bit, please
[[ND]Borc] can gs give astronomy to rp?
[vondrack] nope
[vondrack] not legally
[[ND]Darekill] do you think they care ?
[vondrack] and I believe they will not break the treaty unless we break some
[vondrack] yes, they do care
[vondrack] there si no loophole
[[ND]Darekill] after they find out that we have it?
[vondrack] *is
[vondrack] nothing forbids us from trading it to you/GoW
[vondrack] we have not promised we would not trade Astro to you
[vondrack] and with our very cold stance
[vondrack] they will hardly be surprised we'll do the trade
[vondrack] ...back to my idea:
[[ND]Darekill] anyway Astronomy isn'T realy important to us.
[vondrack] ok
[MasterZen] but it is to GS...
[[ND]Darekill] Musketeers are another chapter.
[[ND]Darekill] Yes it is for GS certainly.
[redstar1] Conquistadors
[vondrack] this is a bit I posted in our forum:
[vondrack] err... better not
[vondrack] sorry
[vondrack] includes info I do not wish to dicslose
[vondrack] *disclose
[[ND]Darekill] *g* so you do have secrets? *gee* well we have too...
[vondrack] we have debated this over a lot in Lego
[vondrack]
[vondrack] and we really believe that the benefits of keeping our alliance secret
[[ND]Borc] very dirty secrets
[vondrack] outweight the fact that GS will be able to us caravels
[vondrack] *use
[vondrack] we are still open to debate, but ATM we strongly prefer keeping the cover
[vondrack] the element of surprise will be the key here
[vondrack] to this effect
[vondrack] we are not going to publicly announce our involvement any time soon
[MasterZen] yes but that will mean a window of opportunity in which we still won't have Muskets and GS can clobber us with huge landings
[Panzer32] I'm just wondering, how are you going to surprise them? With what?
[vondrack] with Lego units on Bob
[vondrack] they will not expect them there
[Panzer32] right... are you planning to land any time soon?
[MasterZen] we could really use some knights right now...
[vondrack] our galleys are not very suitably positioned
[vondrack] just a sec
[[ND]Darekill] oh, I have to go.
[[ND]Darekill] I'm sorry.
[[ND]Borc] Wouldnt it be better if youi land on GS coasts
[Panzer32] see you later Darekill
[[ND]Darekill] Borc can you take over?
[MasterZen] will take more than Astro for that
[MasterZen] cya Herr Barbarian!
[Panzer32] Borc - Lego doesn't want to do that
[[ND]Darekill] By
[vondrack] see you, Darekill
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[[ND]Borc] hmm, im stiil busy at work...
[MasterZen] doesn't, and can't IIRC
[vondrack] well, the very first knights could land near Vigo in about 6 turns, I think - though we would prefer landing somewhere behind the lines, maybe near Arnablance
[vondrack] yes, cannot - until Navigation
[vondrack] but the transport capacity is very limited
[vondrack] so do not rely on our troops for at least 10 turns
[[ND]Borc] 10 turns sound snot too bad
[[ND]Borc] ywe have many options where you can land later
[Panzer32] snot?
[[ND]Borc] will depend also from the gs tacic
[[ND]Borc] *snot = not, sorry
[vondrack] I would personally prefer assembling a bigger stack somewhere behind the lines, keeping it hidden, striking only when GS advances
[vondrack] against your core
[vondrack] basically -
[vondrack] you fight at the RP soil
[vondrack] we make sure you do not get into troubles in your homelands
[vondrack] but that is just a very vague idea
[vondrack] and will have to change, I am quite sure
[vondrack] as the war progresses
[MasterZen] GS's invasion might come sooner than we all think...
[vondrack] well, yes, but what can we do...
[[GoW]Donegeal] Vond... you realize that giving GS Astro will leave them one tech from being able to invade legoland, right?
[vondrack] yes, I do
[vondrack] if they invade, fine
[vondrack] they will not be able to hold on Bob then
[Panzer32] works the other way too Donegeal
[vondrack] exactly

[Panzer32]

[vondrack] so, one point I would like to have cleared: you DO want our units to start landing on Bob ASAP, right?
[Panzer32] I believe so, yes
[vondrack] Borc?
[[GoW]Donegeal] yes... but if Lego holds onto Astro, then Lego will have a two tech advantage on invading Stormia!
[vondrack] as I said - we do NOT want to invade Stormia, unless GS invades Legos
[[ND]Borc] sorry... i am sometimes away for some seconds
[Panzer32] are you planning on passing in the north or the south?
[vondrack] probably both
[vondrack] one galley is on the South, the other one in the North
[[ND]Borc] but i am sure if we amek a poll ND will be glad to see you landing
[MasterZen] us too
[[ND]Borc] *amek = make
[MasterZen] hell we don't even need a poll :P
[vondrack] ok - at least 5 turns to do the polls
[vondrack] just let us know if the poll turns out to be a surprise
[[ND]Borc] 5 turns are 5 weeks
[vondrack] the Northern galleys would be landing somewhere between Trafalgar and DDD, I assume
[[ND]Borc] we will start the poll tonight! its just becasue we are republic
[vondrack] the Southern one around Arnablance, I think
[Panzer32] Vondrack - here are the best landing spots
[vondrack] yes?
[Panzer32] N or S of Trafalgar, N or NW of DDD - these tiles have roads
[vondrack] ok, thanks
[vondrack] next point:
[vondrack] WORKERS
[Panzer32] but it sort of depends how we move the workers
[[GoW]Donegeal] what difference does roads make?
[vondrack] would ND have any use for a couple of industrial workers?
[Panzer32] they can move quicker?
[vondrack] they allow us to move faster
[[GoW]Donegeal] we can't have an RoP with lego or GS will get the hint.
[[ND]Borc] normally yes - there is so much jungle her
[Panzer32] but they don't have an embassy
[[GoW]Donegeal] no embassy with any of us?
[[ND]Borc] but the jungle is near the borders and close to the war zone :-(
[vondrack] right, no embassy with GS, nor RP for Lego
[vondrack] ah
[[ND]Borc] we have an embassy with GS i think
[vondrack] anyway - look your lands over and see if there are any urgent worker jobs you might utilize industrial workers for
[Panzer32] but youre at war
[vondrack] we might be able to send some over
[vondrack] and do whatever you might need
[vondrack] not that we would have SO MANY surplus workers, but if there was a real need, we could lend you a hand
[vondrack] the pyramids help here...
[MasterZen] brb
* MasterZen is now known as MZ|AFK
[[ND]Zayxus] For ND near Trippolis workers would be useful
[vondrack] how many?
[[ND]Zayxus] as much as possible, I did not calculate.
[vondrack] we could send 2 quite soon...
[[ND]Zayxus] would be great, clearing jungle is a hard job
[vondrack] but still, ~10 turns to get to you
[vondrack] we will keep that in mind
[[ND]Zayxus] please
[[ND]Borc] i would prefer 2 workers near marlowa and Fort dreizack - we can defend them better there
[[ND]Borc] and hide them
[vondrack] it would be up to you to tell us where to deploy them
[vondrack] one thing to keep in mind, please
[[ND]Zayxus] yes?
[vondrack] we are not having any "spare workers"
[vondrack] we could use them for ourselves as well
[vondrack] so request them only for urgent tasks, please
[[ND]Zayxus] ND keeps that in mind
[vondrack] good
[vondrack] next point:
[vondrack] CATAPULTS
[vondrack] any need for them?
[vondrack] it would be possible to arrange a "capture"
[Panzer32] I don't think GoW has any need at this time; only if GS were to invade our lands
[[GoW]Donegeal] what bout sending them to the capital and giving them away? sure they loose some effecive ness, but then cost is free and they are where they are needed immediatly...
[[GoW]Donegeal] whoops... I type slow....
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[Tiberius] Hi everybody. Little late for the party
[MZ|AFK] panzer: GS might well invade
[vondrack] we will need a city on Bob to be able to do that (trade workers)
[[GoW]Donegeal] not after Astro...
[vondrack] really?
[[GoW]Donegeal] yep...
[vondrack] but the would lose their industriality anyway
[vondrack] *they
[vondrack] for ND, I mean
[vondrack] I assume you have your land well developed
[vondrack] being industrious, too
[[ND]Zayxus] RP has some cities with 7 people, it means 50% Bonus, could to be cracked down by catapults
[vondrack] that's why I did not offer the same to you
[Panzer32] no, GoW's land developement sucks
[vondrack] ah... then we can trade, of course
[[GoW]Donegeal] free labor right now would be a good thing...
[[ND]Borc] if we cant take zaragossa we could use catapults but we ill see this very soon
[vondrack] ok - it's still something we would not be able to provide immediately anyway
[[ND]Borc] we hit them hard at zaragossa even without catas
[vondrack] just keep in mind that we are open to this
[vondrack] well... I think I am running short of "points"
[Panzer32]
[vondrack] I would like to stress one thing a lot:
[[ND]Borc] yes, thx... anyway ND will not have the time to build catas so the offer is interesting (for later...)
[vondrack] do NOT give GS/RP any hints that we have joined the war
[[GoW]Donegeal] its sorta like the US in WWII... they keep giving all this stuff and help to GB but keep saying "We're Nutral!"
[vondrack] whatever
[Panzer32] yes. No hints
[[ND]Borc] ... and the phone again ... sorry !
[vondrack] we are deliberately staying out of the flames in the public forums
[vondrack] *forums
[Panzer32] I guess I can't go tell GS all the secrets like I was planning to, yes?
[[ND]Zayxus] No hints, by ND.
[vondrack] @ Panzer
[Tiberius] We don't want to say we're neutral. We only want tu use at max the element of surprise
[vondrack] right - we are concerned about someone spilling the beans too early
[vondrack] there is nothing to gain by it and possible a lot to lose
[vondrack] one more thing - could we arrange a regular weekly chat?
[Panzer32] I guess you could join us in our GoW-ND chats
[vondrack] always at this time?
[Panzer32] yes
[vondrack] ok
[vondrack] btw - it would be nice to get news from the front occasionally
[vondrack] like how many GS troops you spotted etc.
[Panzer32] well GoW has 14 riders on the tile East of Toledo
[Tiberius] not bad
[vondrack] right
[vondrack] any GS troops in sight?
[MZ|AFK] knight in Toledo
* MZ|AFK is now known as MasterZen
[Panzer32] we see a fortified knight in Toledo (walls)
[MasterZen] we don't know of course if there's more...
[Panzer32] might be lots more though
[Tiberius] are you (GoW) focusing now on RP or on GS?
[vondrack] yeah...
[Panzer32] right now, GS
[MasterZen] whoever gets in our way, Tiberius
[Panzer32] because thats where we are ATM
[[GoW]Donegeal] Targets of Oppertunity
[Tiberius] kill'em all
[vondrack] btw - GS told us they would be giving New Madrid back to RP very soon (1-2 turns)
[[ND]NeMeSiS] sorry guys i have to leave now
[[ND]NeMeSiS] bye
[vondrack] bye
[MasterZen] cya
[Tiberius] bue
[Panzer32] oh, really?
[[GoW]Donegeal] really?....
[Tiberius] bye
[MasterZen] did they ever tell you why they gifted it?
[[ND]Borc] bye
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[MasterZen] it seems a bit strange to me since its not a port, and the city itself does not impede movement by roads to Toledo
[vondrack] they say they wanted to establish a base inside the RP territory
[Tiberius] +troop movements
[Panzer32] thats good news for us; maybe we can get it during the changeover or at least before RP is fortified
[[GoW]Donegeal] they need the port...
[vondrack] which was only possible by transferring the ownership of N.M.
[MasterZen] NM isn't a port
[[GoW]Donegeal] no?
[Panzer32] nope look at it
[vondrack] right - the port has been founded very close to N.M. I assume
[MasterZen] what? a new city?
[[GoW]Donegeal] oh... so it isn't....
[vondrack] they would have to declare war to be able to do it otherwise
[vondrack] yes, a new city
[vondrack] expect it on the coast
[[ND]Borc] i understand :-/
[vondrack] prolly on a hill
[vondrack] NE of the cattle, maybe?
[Panzer32] probably SE-SE of NM
[Panzer32] or there, yes
[[GoW]Donegeal] Barcelona! I bet RP will gift Barcelona!
[Panzer32] its their only harbour Don
[Panzer32] also its not 1 turn crossings for GS
[vondrack] anyway - just thought you might wish to know...
[[GoW]Donegeal] what do they need a harbor for?
[MasterZen] trade iron?
[Panzer32] squid
[vondrack] maybe iron...
[vondrack] ok, gentleman - anything else, anyone?
[Panzer32] yeah
[vondrack] shoot
[Panzer32] hmm Civ just fatal errored me
[vondrack] heh
[MasterZen] a GS conspiracy...
[Panzer32] are you making sistine currently
[vondrack] switching to it this turn
[Panzer32] how many turns until you finish?
[vondrack] errr... let's make it this way: after we establish the embassy with you, we tell you if there is a problem, ok?
[vondrack] I do not think wonder builds are necessarily a subject of this military alliance
[[ND]Borc]
[vondrack] btw - just to make sure we all know this: we have a no-Sistine clause with both of you
[Panzer32] ok - we plan on speeding it up from what you see to time better with invention
[vondrack] ok, fine
[vondrack] plus - the GA, I assume...
[Panzer32] yes, the GA will speed it up
[vondrack] good
[vondrack] will PM you
[Panzer32] k
[vondrack] anything else?
[vondrack] Borc?
[vondrack] Zayxus?
[Panzer32] I have some stuff to discuss with ND
[Panzer32] but that can wait
[[ND]Zayxus] don't see to discuss more now.
[vondrack] right - if there is nothing more, Lego shall leave now, ok?
[MasterZen] great having you here
[vondrack] our pleasure
[vondrack] good luck to all of us
[[ND]Zayxus] This was an interesting chat.
[[ND]Borc] tankk you all! and sorry for beeing so busy,,,
[MasterZen] I know we'll need it...
[vondrack] yes, a lot of stuff done
[vondrack] yes, we will need it
[[ND]Zayxus] Let us continue.
[[ND]Zayxus] Next week?
[Panzer32] yes

[UnOrthOdOx]

[Hot_Enamel]

I think Bilbao was to be their invasion point / port city

So to us for destroying it.

Madrid must of been gifted so that GS can hasten troop movement north to Toledo/Bilbao (assuming GS gift Madrid back)

So what are our plans if we find Madrid back into RP plans ?

Do we assume GS got their troops into Toledo in time ?
Do we continue the war against RP and dash south to take madrid ?

[Panzer32]

Another chat coming today in about 15 minutes.

MZ said he probably couldn't make it again

[Donegeal]

Same GoW time?
Same GoW channel?

[Aggie]

yes but password is khts
Aggie

[Panzer32]

Session Start: Thu Aug 07 13:35:30 2003
Session Ident: #gow_cofa
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[Aggiegow] hello panzer
[Panzer32] hi Aggie
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* Panzer32 sets mode: +s
[Aggiegow] this next turn will tell alot
[Aggiegow] if they don't attack we have out manuevered them, if they do we get a GA
[Aggiegow] i hope we have rider left come next turn, but we'll see
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[[ND]Borc] Hi!
[[ND]Borc] ... will be back soon
[Panzer32] hi Borc
* Panzer32 sets mode: +k khts
[Panzer32] tell people about the password
[Aggiegow] hello
[[ND]Borc] password?
[Panzer32] khts
[Panzer32] or else they can't get in
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[[ND]Borc] i still wait for darekill... i will eat something in the meanwhile
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[Aggiegow] hello trip, i must be hilarious to be able to watch all the teams plans and idea
[Trip] it'd be more fun if the save moved a little faster every so often
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[[ND]Darekill] Hi!
[Trip] hello
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[[ND]Zayxus] hi
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[Panzer32] hi there all
[Panzer32] I think Legos might have forgotton about the chat
[Aggiegow] hello all
[[ND]Borc] im eating pizza but i am ready hello!
[Panzer32] I did send a PM to Vondrack just a few minutes ago though
[Donegeal] hmmmm.... pizza...
[Aggiegow] makes me want to call dominoes
[Donegeal] I see Zargon is also online...you want me to PM him?
[Aggiegow] that would be good
[[ND]Borc] top!
[Aggiegow] panzer you can give a briefing on the last turn if you like
[Panzer32] sure. Just a minute
[Donegeal] whats the pass again?
[Panzer32] khts
[Donegeal] message sent...
[Panzer32] 12Our 14 riders started out on the mountain S of Toledo
[Panzer32] 12We decided the most efficient way to use them was to pilliage and move south quickly to mop up RP down there
[Panzer32] 12we did not attack the GS rider stack because they had total defence about 7 or so to our attak 4
[Panzer32] 11We pilliaged 3 tiles, S of Toledo, S-SW of Toledo, and S-SW-S of Toledo
[Panzer32] sorry if that colour didn't show up too well
[Aggiegow] the road from new madrid to the front are cut
[Panzer32] 12We have 2 riders 3 x SW of Toledo, 1 rider E-E of Pamplona, and 11 E-E-S of Pamplona
[[ND]Borc] 15 riders?
[Aggiegow] 14
[[ND]Borc] sorry *g*
[Panzer32] 12There are 4 undefended RP workers E of Pamplona but they will probably move next turn
[[ND]Darekill] so are they in Range of the Knights?
[Panzer32] not the main stack
[[ND]Darekill] Thats good. I guess they will come and try to play with our BASF for a while
[Aggiegow] but due to the pillaging it will be a while before more get there
[Aggiegow] also in our current location any troops the gs tried to move are vulnerabe to pot shot
[[ND]Darekill] Well the longer they need the better we are prepared.
[[ND]Borc] how many gs knights are on our continent now?
[[ND]Darekill] at least six.
[Donegeal] atleast 7
[Panzer32] at least 7
[Donegeal] there was one in Toledo
[[ND]Darekill] We can hold the spanish down.
[Panzer32] Don - there was?
[Aggiegow] more i bet probsaly 3-4 in each of toldeo and new marid, but this is just a guess
[[ND]Darekill] But if the GS comes with more then four Knights it will be critical.
[[ND]Darekill] how is your Position in the north?
[Panzer32] there have been no landings yet
[Donegeal] yeah... last turn (or maybe two turns ago) that was all that was showing in Toledo
[Panzer32] one of two galleys was attacked now it is 1/3 but that means either RP or GS galley got sunk!
[Aggiegow] we have 5riders on guard up there in the north
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[[ND]Darekill] O.k. next turn there will be two more ansar. We want them down in the south but if you would need them they could go up north
[Aggiegow] i need to go, later all
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[YenKo] Did I miss it again?
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* Donegeal looks at Yenko?
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[vondrack] hello
[Panzer32] Hi Vondrack!
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[vondrack] sorry for being late
[[ND]Borc] i think we should take them for the south... we had losses there!
[Donegeal] um... anybody want to claim him?
[[ND]Borc] hi vondrak!
[vondrack] I ate something bad and my stomach aches like hell
[Panzer32] we were just discussing current military stuff
[vondrack] ok, go ahead - I will listen for the moment
[Panzer32] Darekill: about the Ansars - I think we can handle up north for the moment
[Donegeal] yeah... I think you will need them more against GS knights...
[[ND]Darekill] good the more we have in the south the sooner we can send a bunch of them wherever you want them to be.
[[ND]Darekill] The BASF wil beat all the Warchicken.
[Panzer32] so thats pretty much it for GoW military
[[ND]Borc] vondrack: btw: we had a 10:0 poll result: our parliament wants you to land
[vondrack]
[vondrack] I know
[vondrack] NeMeSiS PMed me
[Panzer32] oh, between 3-6 turns from now we get 6 more riders, probably more with our GA
[[ND]Darekill] We try to hold Fort Löwenmut (Leon) long enough to soften up the spanish Attacks.
[vondrack] how bad you losses were, Darekill?
[vondrack] you went from average to weak vs. us...
[[ND]Darekill] Then if we can we try to capture their Catas
[vondrack] and how much is left of that Spanish superstack?
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[[ND]Darekill] We have lost two Ansar and two Pikes
[Donegeal] but you kept the city?
[[ND]Darekill] But we'll replace them
[[ND]Darekill] Yes we kept it.
[vondrack] great news!
[Donegeal]
[vondrack] and the stack? Spanish losses?
[[ND]Darekill] the stack is pretty beaten now.
[vondrack] congratulations!
[Donegeal]
[[ND]Darekill] they lost four Med. infs and two Pikes already.
[vondrack] that's cool
[vondrack] from our side - there is little news
[[ND]Darekill] the Med. Infs there are at one Points two point s only two ar more then three point
[vondrack] ...everything goes pretty much along the lines discussed last week
[vondrack] we are doing our best to start ferrying troops
[[ND]Darekill] But there are still six full power Pikes and a lot of Catapults...
[vondrack] there has been one concern in our forum which I would like to mention here
[vondrack] Lego would like to hold the first units that will land behind (unless there is a real emergence) and wait until we assemble a stack of ~15 knights
[vondrack] we believe that engaging with 3-6 units would make little difference
[vondrack] may I have your ideas on where you would need our units?
[[ND]Darekill] that is hard to tell right now. because we don'T know how things will look in 15 turns.
[vondrack] of course
[vondrack] so, let me give our idea, ok?
[Panzer32] well it would be nicest if Sirocco was taken out first so they can't ferry troops but that will be very hard to do
[Panzer32] go ahead
[[ND]Borc] if gs knights get through our home land then tis will be the emergence case, right?
[vondrack] we would be ferrying troops to Bob and then move them to approximately the center of your homelands
[vondrack] where they would gather
[vondrack] they would be ready to counter any surprise landings by GS
[vondrack] and would engage GS on the main front only after reaching some ~15 units
[Panzer32] so womewhere in northern ND territory?
[vondrack] just a sec, I will look at the save
[Donegeal] Vond.. I was wondering what was the FA front looking like with you and GS?
[vondrack] will answer - just a sec
[vondrack] ok, troops positioning:
[vondrack] perhaps somewhere in the Macao-Skulgaria-Thordoba triangle? (not sure where there are roads there)
[Panzer32] here is a suggestion:
[vondrack] ok, go ahead
[Panzer32] If you put the stack on the tile E-S of Macao it can reach Port Isolation in 2 turns
[Panzer32] It also has many links through ND territory
[vondrack] yes, that's within the area I was thinking about
[vondrack] sounds good
[vondrack] diplo front:
[Panzer32] right. Also its close to 1 source of ND iron to sort of guard it if it comes to that
[vondrack] ok
[vondrack] diplo:
[vondrack] we had our regular chat with GS on Monday
[vondrack] I did my best to confuse them like hell
[vondrack] we made it very clear that if they get involved in a major way on Bob
[vondrack] they will have to face us, too
[Donegeal] do they think that you are staying neutral?
[Donegeal] oh....
[vondrack] I do not think they believe we would stay neutral
[vondrack] I was very specific about this
[vondrack] it was kinda "last warning"
[Panzer32] this of course might mean that they won't accept any more RP cities
[Panzer32] I think they just want to keep the ones they have currently
[Donegeal] well... with stacks of 6 knights roaming around on Bob and them holding several cities, I think they are involved in a major way on Bob...
[vondrack] ...they knew how we meant it
[vondrack] OTOH:
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[vondrack] I made it sound like it was a serious diplomatic warning
[vondrack] and dropped a few lines to indirectly indicate we were not really doing anything yet
[Donegeal] but the Astro deal is still going to go through...
[vondrack] re: Astro deal
[vondrack] it probably is, but I can feel they may be looking for ways to delay it
[vondrack] they are giving gold to RP to keep them fighting
[vondrack] and their economy is unable to fund everything
[vondrack] they seem to be worried about us stopping tech trades with them
[Donegeal] hmmm... sounds more like they are involved on Bob in a major way...
[vondrack] my impression was that they are still looking for ways how to make us remain neutral
[vondrack] donegeal - I consider that a major involvement, too, naturally
[[ND]Borc] brb
[vondrack] that's why we will give no more warnings
[Donegeal] if we embargo against GS, there is NO WAY they can keep up with us techwise
[Panzer32] thats what we plan to do, Don
[vondrack] and that's why we do not condition our help to you in any way
* Donegeal goes to check his logs again, feeling a bit embarassed for not knowing...
[vondrack] Don - Astro is the last tech going to them
[vondrack] to keep the cover as long as possible
[Panzer32] Now, you said GS might delay Astro deal...
[vondrack] yes - since the deal is Astro for Banking
[vondrack] and they seem to be slower with Banking then we with Astro
[vondrack] than *us...
[Panzer32] if they delay enough, will you cut the deal (ie they see your troops)
[vondrack] I do not think they will delay it THAT much
[Panzer32] ok :P
[vondrack] they should be done ~3 turns after us - at least that's my understanding
[vondrack] I honestly cannot answer the last question (on cutting the deal)
[vondrack] that would have to be discussed within our team
[Donegeal] does that mean that you are going to delay giving us the tech by that many turns?
* Donegeal shrugs.
[Donegeal] not like we need it.
[vondrack] nope - that has nothing to do with it
[vondrack] if they delay the trade, they will not be able to pose 'surprised' by the fact we trade with others
[vondrack] and we are deliberately making it very clear that we do NOT side with them
[Donegeal] there is no talk of a "no-trade clause?
[vondrack] so even giving you the techs might not blow the cover too much... it would be just another "reminder" for them to back off
[vondrack] NDAs are part of the contract
[vondrack] eternal NDAs, AFAIK
[vondrack] Astro is ours, Banking is theirs
[Donegeal] so what do you do if they do "back off"?
[vondrack] well, if they do "back off", I guess you will be able to handle them on your own
[Donegeal] NDA?
[vondrack] but it is Lego to decide
[vondrack] if they did back off or not
[vondrack] you mean - what do we do about the NDA?
[Donegeal] no... what is it
[vondrack] Non-Disclosure Agreement
[Donegeal] Non-Disclosure?
[vondrack] yes
[vondrack] no-trade clause
[vondrack] everybody calls it different
[Donegeal] isn't talking about it with us a "disclosure"?
[vondrack] ummm... we understand it as a "non-trade clause"
[Panzer32] that means they can't tell us about the trade AFTER the NDA is agreed to
[Donegeal] hahahahaha
[Panzer32] well thats what happened to GoW once
[vondrack] hm, I may be wrong about this NDA stuff - but hell, I don't care...
[vondrack] I suppose I am not legally allowed to plot an alliance against them either...
[vondrack]
[Panzer32]
* Donegeal shrugs again.
[Panzer32] anything else to discuss?
[vondrack] just re-read the trade agreement... NDA=no-trade clause, I am sure
[vondrack] not from our side, I think
[Donegeal] so you can't trade Banking, even if you go to war with GS?
[vondrack] correct... as long as we honour the treaty
[Panzer32] get vox to get it for you
[Panzer32] err. for us
[vondrack] yes - that was one thing I was thinking of
[vondrack] the other one - do we really need banking to win this war?
[vondrack] I mean... anyone planning to build a bank any time soon?
[Panzer32] just a warning about the Vox situation here:
[vondrack] yes?
[Panzer32] make sure to not just let them be the tech brokers that give you everything from other civs
[vondrack] no worries - that's not the case
[Panzer32] when Vox had lux in its palm, we were working out a deal with both
[Panzer32] then Vox quits negotiations and we get all angry with Vox
[vondrack] yes, I think I know the story
[Panzer32] and we send them a simple note
[Panzer32] then the next turn Lux is gone :/
[vondrack] yeah...
[Panzer32] ... for those who didn't know
[vondrack] don't worry about our relationship with Vox
[vondrack] that has been taken care of
[vondrack] they are not going to interfere
[vondrack] they were specifically asked to lay low
[[ND]Zayxus] 12 Building a Bank? Now in a war? No.
[vondrack]
[Panzer32] same for GoW
[vondrack] yeah - that's why I think the NDA on Banking is not a big deal ATM
[Donegeal] they are going to be stronger in Legos Minor than they were in Estonia...
[vondrack] probably, yes
[vondrack] but not by much
[vondrack] the terrain there is horrible
[Panzer32] yeah
[Panzer32] they'll have to work mainly coastline
[vondrack] yep - and no fresh water either
[vondrack] but still... they can be a fine researcher, given time
[[ND]Zayxus] 12 Harbors, Aequaducts? Hard work.
[[ND]Darekill] after this war I think we can find a way to end the demogame entirely.
[vondrack] we will see...
[vondrack] I made myself clear in the public forum
[vondrack] in the "fun?" thread...
[vondrack] ok - if there is nothing else, I'd probably leave now... not feeling well today
[[ND]Darekill] I' know...
[Panzer32] I don't have anything more to discuss
[[ND]Darekill] Nothing from our side.
[vondrack] ok, gentlemen - have a good night then!
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[[ND]Darekill] good night.
[[ND]Zayxus] thx, you also
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