Session Start: Fri Jul 25 12:40:46 2003
Session Ident: #gow_cofa
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[[ND]Darekill] here i am.
* Panzer32 sets mode: +s
* Panzer32 sets mode: +k dtrategy
[Panzer32] hi DK
[[ND]Darekill] You've seen it.
[Panzer32] ok... so Toledo is now GS. Is there any other cities that are now GS?
[[ND]Darekill] no.
[[ND]Darekill] They just try to block you.
[Panzer32] ok, they've figured out that you are just going to take the western ones
[Panzer32] I have an idea
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[Panzer32] what you do is to take Toledo while our riders stay on top of the mountain N-NE of it. Then when you take it we move South-south and threaten N. Madrid
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[[ND]Essigeimer] Hi all
[Panzer32] hi
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[[ND]Darekill] Your plan will take time.
[[ND]Darekill] To much time for my taste
[UnOrthOdOx] Which plan?
[Panzer32] [Panzer32] what you do is to take Toledo while our riders stay on top of the mountain N-NE of it. Then when you take it we move South-south and threaten N. Madrid
[Panzer32] what do we do then?
[UnOrthOdOx] No, I say we move directly south, attack madrid in 4 turns...
[[ND]Darekill] Can you move through GS territory?
[Panzer32] no
[Panzer32] thats why I was saying that
[UnOrthOdOx] I say do it anyway
[UnOrthOdOx] We can't continue to delay like this.
* Panzer32 sets mode: +ooo UnOrthOdOx [ND]Darekill [ND]Essigeimer
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o [ND]Zayxus
[[ND]Darekill] If we try to tkae toledo and we make it then Spain will gift the next city to GS. That strategy will lead to desaster.
[Panzer32] just a minute
[Panzer32] my plan takes less time to get to Madrid then just going through GS territory
[[ND]Darekill] GoW would never be able to take a spanish city and NF can'T do it all alone.
[UnOrthOdOx] They are prepared to defend Toledo, there is a big stack. If we move south, on turn three, we threaten BOTH Toledo AND madrid.
[[ND]Darekill] ND
[Panzer32] well you can if they keep being GS undefended cities
[Panzer32] Toledo is GS though, Unortho
[[ND]Darekill] they wont be for long and it takes the troops we need in the west
[UnOrthOdOx] It is?
[[ND]Essigeimer] i think you can diplomatically argue that the GS cities on Borconia are hidden RP Cities
[Panzer32] Unortho, see 10AD thread. this is why we have the chat
[[ND]Darekill] uortho it is now!
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[Aggiegow] hello all
[[ND]Essigeimer] hi
[[ND]Darekill] hi.
[Panzer32] hi Aggie, heard the news?
[Aggiegow] i see what that asswhole togas has done
[UnOrthOdOx] Forgive my lack of knowledge, then.
[UnOrthOdOx] Oh, and greetings to our ND friends.
[[ND]Darekill] your welcome
[UnOrthOdOx] Or, should I say: Guten tag, wie heist? (been 6 years forgive any spelling...)
[Aggiegow] pardon my language
[[ND]Darekill] never mind. just keep it in english.
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o Aggiegow
[Aggiegow] ok i have an idea
[Aggiegow] darekill can you spare a few answar say 2/3
[[ND]Darekill] If i could what would they have to do?
[Aggiegow] just follow us and take the free cities rp is giving gs
[Aggiegow] since they are immediately undefended
[Aggiegow] then with us owning the rops would speed the attacks
[Aggiegow] this would stop rp doing this crap
[[ND]Darekill] It will need time to get them there.
[Panzer32] this is sort of what I suggested (but with your infantrie): [Panzer32] what you do is to take Toledo while our riders stay on top of the mountain N-NE of it. Then when you take it we move South-south and threaten N. Madrid
[[ND]Darekill] BTW. There is a spanish Vessel heading North on the West coast. beware!
[Aggiegow] thats fine we can move in the mean time
[Aggiegow] i saw it
[Panzer32] yes we know.
[Panzer32] we think it has one warrior in it
[[ND]Darekill] We have an idea too.
[Aggiegow] lets hear it
[[ND]Darekill] We would consider these giftetd citys not be part of a NAP. We know not if there is a NAP but if there was one it should not include those citys.
[[ND]Zayxus] Also, GS had no right to posses cities on our continent.
[[ND]Darekill] This is spanish teritorry and it ridiculous what they are doing.
[[ND]Essigeimer] I think it's a fundamental decision now to show all nations in game, that these foully gifts can't be a part of the game
[Panzer32] the problem with that is it might give them an excuse to invade us (yes it is a poor excuse but one they might use anyways)
[[ND]Darekill] they already have an excuse since Santiago and I think they will use it anyway.
[[ND]Zayxus] These gifts of cities are not serious.
[[ND]Darekill] They don'T talk to us anymore.
[Panzer32] I mean us, GoW
[Aggiegow] i agree, it warps the whole game if teams are allowed to do this
[[ND]Darekill] What if you claim to have a MPP with us witch is activated by the war between us and them.
[[ND]Darekill] We did not poke on it because we wanted to find a peacefull solution.
[Aggiegow] the problem honestly is this, we are to exposed owing to vox territory in gs hands. It is concievable they have a force waiting to attack now
[UnOrthOdOx] We think they are even trying to provoke US into starting it
[UnOrthOdOx] So they can remain 'honorable'
[UnOrthOdOx] I think we just need to finish RP as quick as possible then jointly decide how best to deal with GS.
[UnOrthOdOx] Ironically, the gifting of cities accomplishes this as well.
[[ND]Darekill] I see.
[Panzer32] My plan doesn't involve us going into GS territory, so it is good in that way
[UnOrthOdOx] It's better to keep it all on one front for now than to split our fronts.
[[ND]Darekill] But i don't see how we can finish Spain quickly if we are forced to take all the citys.
[Aggiegow] qusestion can gs tell who takes their cities(i have never paly mp before) or do they jyst turn sides between turns
[UnOrthOdOx] They would see us declare war...
[Panzer32] Darekill, they can't gift Pamplona, maybe GoW can threaten that
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* Panzer32 sets mode: +o GhengisFarb
[GhengisFarb] Hi De Ho
[[ND]Darekill] that would be great.
[Panzer32] so we'd need a good way to Pamplona..
[Panzer32] again, I think this is best accomplished by you taking Toledo then our riders moving through there
[[ND]Darekill] Yes. We will try to take Bilbao and Toledo in about three to four turns while you nove to Pamplona.
[[ND]Darekill] At this moment our western troops will be ready to co attack there.
[GhengisFarb] We should take Madrid while its easy and then assault Pamplona when the second wave arrives and we have double the troops
[Panzer32] Darekill, if you move your infantrie the way you have in the picture then that would be the best for us
[Panzer32] Ghengis, I'll draw a picture of my proposal
[[ND]Darekill] I thought that when i saw your stack.
[GhengisFarb] ALL of the units that were in Toledo are now in Pamplona, they probably have 20+ units in Pamplona right now
[Aggiegow] eatong lunck be right back
[GhengisFarb] If we take Madrid and cut off their luxuries they have no trade or money to keep paying GS
[GhengisFarb] They become worthess to everyone
[Panzer32] Ghengis, all we have to do is threaten New Madrid and they gift it
[[ND]Darekill] do you think that GS could land troops in the south of spain to take their citys with force if they are no longer gifted?
[Panzer32] just a minute... uploading a plan
[GhengisFarb] Once they gift Madrid we declare war on GS and sack both cities as GS won't have had time to reinforce them.
[Panzer32] http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Pan...32plan10AD.bmp
[Panzer32] this is what I think it best
[Panzer32] note it uses old map since that's all I had
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[[ND]Essigeimer] hi Borc
[[ND]Borc] what a surprise chat on froiday!
[Panzer32] Borc... here's my plan http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Pan...32plan10AD.bmp
[Aggiegow] hello borc
[[ND]Darekill] BrB
[Panzer32] Aggie, what do you think?
[GhengisFarb] I think Panzer's plan is fine, we take Toledo, then Madrid, the gang up on Pamplona
[[ND]Essigeimer] panzer, the link doesn't work?
[Aggiegow] looking right now
[Panzer32] btw, 4 riders start south this turn
[Panzer32] can anybody else not see it?
[Panzer32] I can email it if people can't see it
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o [ND]Borc
[Aggiegow] i can see it just on slow connection
[[ND]Essigeimer] essigeimer@gmx.net, thx
[GhengisFarb] Does ND still have the save?
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[[ND]Essigeimer] yes, we just got it 3 hours ago
[Panzer32] 4pic sent
[GhengisFarb] DId you forward a copy to Panzer? How is he able to make these pics?
[Aggiegow] but from what i've heard it sounds good. Since they are gifting cites miliary tactics hardly matter. We jsut say boo and they give. maybe we should send 3 riders to scare the other cites to death
Session Ident: #gow_cofa
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[[ND]Darekill] here i am.
* Panzer32 sets mode: +s
* Panzer32 sets mode: +k dtrategy
[Panzer32] hi DK
[[ND]Darekill] You've seen it.
[Panzer32] ok... so Toledo is now GS. Is there any other cities that are now GS?
[[ND]Darekill] no.
[[ND]Darekill] They just try to block you.
[Panzer32] ok, they've figured out that you are just going to take the western ones
[Panzer32] I have an idea
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[Panzer32] what you do is to take Toledo while our riders stay on top of the mountain N-NE of it. Then when you take it we move South-south and threaten N. Madrid
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[[ND]Essigeimer] Hi all
[Panzer32] hi
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[[ND]Darekill] Your plan will take time.
[[ND]Darekill] To much time for my taste
[UnOrthOdOx] Which plan?
[Panzer32] [Panzer32] what you do is to take Toledo while our riders stay on top of the mountain N-NE of it. Then when you take it we move South-south and threaten N. Madrid
[Panzer32] what do we do then?
[UnOrthOdOx] No, I say we move directly south, attack madrid in 4 turns...
[[ND]Darekill] Can you move through GS territory?
[Panzer32] no
[Panzer32] thats why I was saying that
[UnOrthOdOx] I say do it anyway
[UnOrthOdOx] We can't continue to delay like this.
* Panzer32 sets mode: +ooo UnOrthOdOx [ND]Darekill [ND]Essigeimer
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o [ND]Zayxus
[[ND]Darekill] If we try to tkae toledo and we make it then Spain will gift the next city to GS. That strategy will lead to desaster.
[Panzer32] just a minute
[Panzer32] my plan takes less time to get to Madrid then just going through GS territory
[[ND]Darekill] GoW would never be able to take a spanish city and NF can'T do it all alone.
[UnOrthOdOx] They are prepared to defend Toledo, there is a big stack. If we move south, on turn three, we threaten BOTH Toledo AND madrid.
[[ND]Darekill] ND
[Panzer32] well you can if they keep being GS undefended cities
[Panzer32] Toledo is GS though, Unortho
[[ND]Darekill] they wont be for long and it takes the troops we need in the west
[UnOrthOdOx] It is?
[[ND]Essigeimer] i think you can diplomatically argue that the GS cities on Borconia are hidden RP Cities
[Panzer32] Unortho, see 10AD thread. this is why we have the chat
[[ND]Darekill] uortho it is now!
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[Aggiegow] hello all
[[ND]Essigeimer] hi
[[ND]Darekill] hi.
[Panzer32] hi Aggie, heard the news?
[Aggiegow] i see what that asswhole togas has done
[UnOrthOdOx] Forgive my lack of knowledge, then.
[UnOrthOdOx] Oh, and greetings to our ND friends.
[[ND]Darekill] your welcome
[UnOrthOdOx] Or, should I say: Guten tag, wie heist? (been 6 years forgive any spelling...)
[Aggiegow] pardon my language
[[ND]Darekill] never mind. just keep it in english.
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o Aggiegow
[Aggiegow] ok i have an idea
[Aggiegow] darekill can you spare a few answar say 2/3
[[ND]Darekill] If i could what would they have to do?
[Aggiegow] just follow us and take the free cities rp is giving gs
[Aggiegow] since they are immediately undefended
[Aggiegow] then with us owning the rops would speed the attacks
[Aggiegow] this would stop rp doing this crap
[[ND]Darekill] It will need time to get them there.
[Panzer32] this is sort of what I suggested (but with your infantrie): [Panzer32] what you do is to take Toledo while our riders stay on top of the mountain N-NE of it. Then when you take it we move South-south and threaten N. Madrid
[[ND]Darekill] BTW. There is a spanish Vessel heading North on the West coast. beware!
[Aggiegow] thats fine we can move in the mean time
[Aggiegow] i saw it
[Panzer32] yes we know.
[Panzer32] we think it has one warrior in it
[[ND]Darekill] We have an idea too.
[Aggiegow] lets hear it
[[ND]Darekill] We would consider these giftetd citys not be part of a NAP. We know not if there is a NAP but if there was one it should not include those citys.
[[ND]Zayxus] Also, GS had no right to posses cities on our continent.
[[ND]Darekill] This is spanish teritorry and it ridiculous what they are doing.
[[ND]Essigeimer] I think it's a fundamental decision now to show all nations in game, that these foully gifts can't be a part of the game
[Panzer32] the problem with that is it might give them an excuse to invade us (yes it is a poor excuse but one they might use anyways)
[[ND]Darekill] they already have an excuse since Santiago and I think they will use it anyway.
[[ND]Zayxus] These gifts of cities are not serious.
[[ND]Darekill] They don'T talk to us anymore.
[Panzer32] I mean us, GoW
[Aggiegow] i agree, it warps the whole game if teams are allowed to do this
[[ND]Darekill] What if you claim to have a MPP with us witch is activated by the war between us and them.
[[ND]Darekill] We did not poke on it because we wanted to find a peacefull solution.
[Aggiegow] the problem honestly is this, we are to exposed owing to vox territory in gs hands. It is concievable they have a force waiting to attack now
[UnOrthOdOx] We think they are even trying to provoke US into starting it
[UnOrthOdOx] So they can remain 'honorable'
[UnOrthOdOx] I think we just need to finish RP as quick as possible then jointly decide how best to deal with GS.
[UnOrthOdOx] Ironically, the gifting of cities accomplishes this as well.
[[ND]Darekill] I see.
[Panzer32] My plan doesn't involve us going into GS territory, so it is good in that way
[UnOrthOdOx] It's better to keep it all on one front for now than to split our fronts.
[[ND]Darekill] But i don't see how we can finish Spain quickly if we are forced to take all the citys.
[Aggiegow] qusestion can gs tell who takes their cities(i have never paly mp before) or do they jyst turn sides between turns
[UnOrthOdOx] They would see us declare war...
[Panzer32] Darekill, they can't gift Pamplona, maybe GoW can threaten that
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* Panzer32 sets mode: +o GhengisFarb
[GhengisFarb] Hi De Ho
[[ND]Darekill] that would be great.
[Panzer32] so we'd need a good way to Pamplona..
[Panzer32] again, I think this is best accomplished by you taking Toledo then our riders moving through there
[[ND]Darekill] Yes. We will try to take Bilbao and Toledo in about three to four turns while you nove to Pamplona.
[[ND]Darekill] At this moment our western troops will be ready to co attack there.
[GhengisFarb] We should take Madrid while its easy and then assault Pamplona when the second wave arrives and we have double the troops
[Panzer32] Darekill, if you move your infantrie the way you have in the picture then that would be the best for us
[Panzer32] Ghengis, I'll draw a picture of my proposal
[[ND]Darekill] I thought that when i saw your stack.
[GhengisFarb] ALL of the units that were in Toledo are now in Pamplona, they probably have 20+ units in Pamplona right now
[Aggiegow] eatong lunck be right back
[GhengisFarb] If we take Madrid and cut off their luxuries they have no trade or money to keep paying GS
[GhengisFarb] They become worthess to everyone
[Panzer32] Ghengis, all we have to do is threaten New Madrid and they gift it
[[ND]Darekill] do you think that GS could land troops in the south of spain to take their citys with force if they are no longer gifted?
[Panzer32] just a minute... uploading a plan
[GhengisFarb] Once they gift Madrid we declare war on GS and sack both cities as GS won't have had time to reinforce them.
[Panzer32] http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Pan...32plan10AD.bmp
[Panzer32] this is what I think it best
[Panzer32] note it uses old map since that's all I had
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[[ND]Essigeimer] hi Borc
[[ND]Borc] what a surprise chat on froiday!
[Panzer32] Borc... here's my plan http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Pan...32plan10AD.bmp
[Aggiegow] hello borc
[[ND]Darekill] BrB
[Panzer32] Aggie, what do you think?
[GhengisFarb] I think Panzer's plan is fine, we take Toledo, then Madrid, the gang up on Pamplona
[[ND]Essigeimer] panzer, the link doesn't work?
[Aggiegow] looking right now
[Panzer32] btw, 4 riders start south this turn
[Panzer32] can anybody else not see it?
[Panzer32] I can email it if people can't see it
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o [ND]Borc
[Aggiegow] i can see it just on slow connection
[[ND]Essigeimer] essigeimer@gmx.net, thx
[GhengisFarb] Does ND still have the save?
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[[ND]Essigeimer] yes, we just got it 3 hours ago
[Panzer32] 4pic sent
[GhengisFarb] DId you forward a copy to Panzer? How is he able to make these pics?
[Aggiegow] but from what i've heard it sounds good. Since they are gifting cites miliary tactics hardly matter. We jsut say boo and they give. maybe we should send 3 riders to scare the other cites to death
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