Chat with ND - TODAY! 2 PM EST

[Master Zen]

Forgot to post this last night as Poly was crashing at all times...

Anyway, same as usual: Poly chatroom #GoW pword: Dtrategy

See ya there

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I most likely won't be online until 5 pm.

[Panzer32]

Session Start: Thu Jun 12 14:02:06 2003
Session Ident: #gow
[14:02] * Now talking in #gow
[14:02] * Topic is 'The Glory Of Chat '
[14:02] * Set by MasterZen on Fri May 30 17:56:10
[14:02] [Panzer_32] hello
[14:02] [MasterZen] hey
[14:02] * MasterZen sets mode: +o Panzer_32
[14:02] [MasterZen] right on time
[14:02] [Panzer_32] I was able to get home earlier, so I'm here
[14:02] [[ND]Borc] hi panzer!
[14:02] * MasterZen thinks Panzer skipped school for the chat
[14:02] [[ND]Borc] we still wait a bit for darekill if you don't mind?
[14:02] [MasterZen] sure, NP
[14:03] [Panzer_32] MZ, clear out your PM box
[14:03] [MasterZen] oops :P
[14:05] * [ND]Darekill has joined #GoW
[14:05] [Panzer_32] did you guys have the 3 way chat with RP, or did that not happen?
[14:05] [MasterZen] nope
[14:05] [Panzer_32] hey Darekill
[14:05] [MasterZen] hey!
[14:05] [MasterZen] but RP was expecting it
[14:05] [[ND]Darekill] hello...
[14:06] [MasterZen] in fact they even made a room for that chat
[14:06] [MasterZen] and BigFree saw Borc and Zayxus in the general channel when they logged in
[14:07] [MasterZen] so I'm thinking that perhaps one of you (Darekill) should join that channel and talk some stuff just so we don't get them suspicious
[14:07] [[ND]Borc] do you have somebody there?
[14:07] [MasterZen] channel is PTWDGConference password: Together
[14:07] [MasterZen] yep, I'm in
[14:07] [MasterZen] Togas and BigFree too
[14:08] [[ND]Darekill] Hmmm. the problem is, i don't have to much time today i just declared war on borc and Zayxus...
[14:08] [MasterZen] hahahaha
[14:08] [[ND]Borc] )
[14:08] [MasterZen] Borc? you want to join?
[14:09] [[ND]Darekill] in our Forum DG of course
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] i can go there, but i will ask them for a nwe chat date
[14:09] [MasterZen] ok
[14:09] [MasterZen] that'd at least get us off the hook for a while
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] ok ... is it #RP or what
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] i better ask in the main room
[14:09] [MasterZen] #PTWDGConference Together
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] ok
[14:10] * [ND]Borc has left #GoW
[14:11] [MasterZen] meanwhile, let's talk war over here
[14:12] [MasterZen] Panzer, have you seen H_E's plan in the Dtrategy thread?
[14:12] [Panzer_32] skimmed it
[14:12] [[ND]Darekill] sorry but i'm only listening here...
[14:13] [MasterZen] what do you guys think of the whole GS/Vox situation?
[14:14] [MasterZen] Vox seems to be in a very uncomfortable situation...
[14:16] [[ND]Darekill] GS has got them by the balls thats for sure!
[14:16] [MasterZen] yep, Vox is desperate to find a relocation spot
[14:18] [MasterZen] we're also wondering about your exploration of Lego, how's it going along?
[14:18] * GhengisFarb has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer )
[14:18] [MasterZen] 4Panzer, my PM box is now purged
[14:22] [Panzer_32] ok, forwarding a message to you
[14:30] [Panzer_32] we're getting info from RP:
[14:30] [Panzer_32] [MasterZen] are your eastern cities fortified or something?
[14:30] [Panzer_32] [Togas] we have some troops there, yes, but nothing substantial. We still have to guard our northern border.
[14:31] [MasterZen] hehehe... I love stealing their info like that
[14:33] [MasterZen] more info:
[14:33] [MasterZen] [13:31] [Togas] They couldn't conquer Spain, we have too many troops, but they could ruin several of our eastern cities and destroy our shipbuilding facilities.
[14:34] [MasterZen] we need to split up their army
[14:36] [[ND]Darekill] should work.
[14:36] [[ND]Zayxus] meet you @ other channel...
[14:37] [MasterZen] [13:37] [Togas] 2) Reaffirm the current peace on Bob. Settle on some borders, and recommit to the Bob Alliance.
[14:37] [MasterZen] 4 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[14:51] [Panzer_32] so when are we going to have the war chat here? When the conference is over?
[14:55] [MasterZen] well, I was thinking about having it at the same time right?
[14:55] [MasterZen] I have to leave in about 1 hour
[14:56] [[ND]Darekill] Well we have some questions
[14:56] [MasterZen] go ahead, we have a "plan" also
[14:57] [[ND]Darekill] 1. How many troops do you think you have ready in 14 turns?
[14:57] [[ND]Darekill] 2. Do we stick to the Plan of attackin in the East united?
[14:58] [Panzer_32] That depends on how much money we can get to upgrade horsemen to riders
[14:58] [[ND]Darekill] 3. Will you have some Workers for the Jungle
[14:58] [[ND]Darekill] 4. Are you interestet in Theology or engeneering?
[14:59] [Panzer_32] As the Consul of Internal affairs, I don't believe we can spare any workers currently for the jungle
[14:59] [Panzer_32] Theology: we have a deal already in place
[14:59] [Panzer_32] Engineering: We're getting from Vox, if they ever finish it
[15:00] [MasterZen] 2. we have a little plan you might want to consider
[15:00] [[ND]Darekill] we will have engeneering in about 17 turns.
[15:00] [[ND]Darekill] how much do you pay for Theo? Is the deal fixed?
[15:01] [Panzer_32] we're getting a good deal for Theo, and it is fixed
[15:05] [[ND]Darekill] forget theo what about engeneering?
[15:05] [MasterZen] well, being that Vox might get wiped out...
[15:07] [[ND]Darekill] we could give it to you then.
[15:07] [[ND]Darekill] for the chivalry?
[15:08] [Panzer_32] how much gold do you have?
[15:08] [MasterZen] we would much rather get gold for chivalry for our upgrades
[15:08] [[ND]Darekill] Just barely enogh to upgrade our Horseman to Ansar
[15:10] [[ND]Darekill] MZ Borc doesn't want to talk about Borders and NAP's in the RP chat.
[15:11] [Panzer_32] what if we do get engineering from Vox? what would you give for Chivalry?
[15:11] [[ND]Darekill] if we can give you money it'll be on a G/T base.
[15:12] [[ND]Darekill] how much would you need?
[15:12] [MasterZen] we are currently discussing the price
[15:12] [MasterZen] but I think we would need something like a down payment and then g/t
[15:16] [[ND]Darekill] look we get theo for the withdrawel of scout arne and some gold. We need to have money for the upgrades.
[15:16] [[ND]Darekill] we can not lead a war with horseman...
[15:18] [MasterZen] neither can we, that's why I suggest a tradeoff
[15:18] [MasterZen] we would of course expect all the cash, you want g/t. We can compromise, part in cash, the rest in g/t
[15:21] [[ND]Darekill] how long until you have Chivalry?
[15:21] [[ND]Darekill] The sooner we get it the less units we have to upgrade...
[15:22] [[ND]Darekill] The more money we have to pay you
[15:22] * [ND]Borc has joined #GoW
[15:22] [[ND]Borc] ok here again
[15:22] [MasterZen] ~7 turns I think
[15:22] [MasterZen] panzer knows
[15:22] [Panzer_32] 5 turns was the last save
[15:22] [MasterZen] ooh.. even sweeter
[15:24] [[ND]Darekill] so we can fix this deal next week?
[15:24] [Panzer_32] we will have 8 horsemen to upgrade that turn
[15:25] [Panzer_32] then we can attack Bilbao 6 turns after that with those riders
[15:25] [[ND]Darekill] we will have to upgrade about the same amount on horseman then.
[15:27] [[ND]Borc] 5+6 turns = 11 turns = 130 BC, let us say 110 BC, is that official?
[15:27] [Panzer_32] btw, this includes going through ND territory near Thordoba
[15:28] [[ND]Borc] no problem for us
[15:28] [[ND]Borc] will you have thr road to mavdad?
[15:28] [MasterZen] nost likely not
[15:29] [MasterZen] we'll trust on 3-move Riders...
[15:29] [Panzer_32] Lets aim for 110 BC, we can adjust it slightly if we need to
[15:29] [Panzer_32] huh? No, we don't have any road even started in that direction
[15:31] [[ND]Borc] did you discuss with ghengis that we think about attacking together in th east
[15:31] [[ND]Borc] 8 riders and 10 ansars
[15:31] [[ND]Borc] or do you still like the idea
[15:32] [Panzer_32] well.. what would you attack?
[15:32] [MasterZen] we had a plan over here...
[15:32] [MasterZen] basically to split up RP's army
[15:32] [[ND]Darekill] let's hear.
[15:33] [MasterZen] lemme find the thread...
[15:34] [Panzer_32] Its the strategy thread
[15:34] [MasterZen] I know, i'm just going though the forum..
[15:34] [[ND]Borc] no problem
[15:36] [MasterZen] ok, here's the idea:
[15:36] [MasterZen] a road is to be built south of Marlowa
[15:37] [MasterZen] Pikes will cover the workers
[15:37] [MasterZen] you will claim you are simply clearing jungle but RP will freak
[15:37] [MasterZen] they will move units to that sector
[15:37] [MasterZen] you also send 2 galleys with med infs to Lego
[15:38] [MasterZen] check out the iron tile on the way
[15:38] [MasterZen] now, once the road is done...
[15:38] [MasterZen] you pull back your troops
[15:38] [MasterZen] and war is declared
[15:39] [MasterZen] GoW attacks in the East
[15:39] [MasterZen] with some Ansars in support
[15:39] [[ND]Borc] at Bilbao
[15:39] [MasterZen] if the plan works, RP will move troops east
[15:39] [MasterZen] and realize the whole road thing was a ruse
[15:40] [MasterZen] then, the med infs land on the iron (or close to it)
[15:40] [MasterZen] but, then you move the bulk of your army to the road
[15:40] [MasterZen] and build a city on the path (I'll send you the map by e-mail)
[15:41] [MasterZen] that will give your ansars range to attack 3 cities: Zaragoza, Leon and Vigo
[15:41] [[ND]Darekill] No need to that plan is already in our drwaers
[15:42] [MasterZen] and there you have it, there are two major fronts, west and east, they might have troops but not enough
[15:42] [Panzer_32] do you have the map, or do you have another plan?
[15:42] [MasterZen] if, as Togas claims, they are weak in the east but powerful in the west, our eastern assault will rip them apart and converge on to the west
[15:43] [[ND]Borc] we call th city south of marlowa Operation Dreizack (triangle)
[15:43] [MasterZen] Panzer: i'm quoting almost directly from the thread with the same map
[15:43] [MasterZen] hehehe
[15:43] [[ND]Darekill] Belive me or not but we made already the same plan. it is called Operation Dreizack...
[15:43] [[ND]Borc] and the settler is almost ready ))
[15:43] [[ND]Borc] i ask me if togas finds the same move in his brain :-/
[15:44] [MasterZen] they are not warriors
[15:44] [MasterZen] * warmongers
[15:44] [[ND]Darekill] but if you found this, and we found it why should togas be worse...
[15:45] [MasterZen] because we are imaginative
[15:45] [MasterZen] it's much harder to think on what others will do to you, than what you can do to them
[15:45] [MasterZen] keep them guessing is the best strategy in war, both in real life and in Civ
[15:46] [[ND]Borc] in the moment we build the road one tile south of marlowa they can send pikes to the stlle palce, but anyway we will do our best
[15:46] [[ND]Borc] *settlement lace
[15:46] [[ND]Borc] *settlement place :-((
[15:47] [Panzer_32] I was looking at the map for the natural progression of the GoW attack
[15:48] [Panzer_32] Bilbao, Toledo, Madrid
[15:48] [Panzer_32] only 2 turns to go from one to the next for each of those cities
[15:49] [[ND]Borc] by the way: we want to make a long NAP with GS, to not let them become friends with RP...what do you think about it
[15:49] [[ND]Borc] thats why i chatted with zeit 2 days ago
[15:50] [MasterZen] we want GS to be neutral during his war at all costs
[15:50] [MasterZen] and we want RP to piss them off
[15:51] [Panzer_32] ok, so what happens in 110 BC?
[15:51] [[ND]Borc] first step: we make a nap with GS, second step: poosible that we cant send horses to vox... but we will see
[15:51] [Panzer_32] 1. GoW attacks Bilbao
[15:51] [[ND]Darekill] you declare war and raze Bilbao...
[15:52] [Panzer_32] 2. ND lands on or near Iron
[15:52] [[ND]Borc] right!
[15:52] [Panzer_32] 3. ND settles the city
[15:52] [[ND]Darekill] yes we will land four Pikes.
[15:52] [[ND]Borc] at 90 BC
[15:52] [[ND]Borc] and 4 med inf in a second wave
[15:52] [Panzer_32] why not 110bc?
[15:53] [[ND]Borc] 110 BC is your turn - if we get the save we have 90 BC
[15:53] [[ND]Borc] but we can do it 130 and 110 BC
[15:53] [Panzer_32] ah, right
[15:53] [Panzer_32] we have to declare war first
[15:54] [Panzer_32] what if Bilbao grows, then can we keep the city?
[15:55] [[ND]Borc] it is ok for me, but you have to defend it ...
[15:56] [[ND]Borc] not easy
[15:56] [Panzer_32] right.
[15:56] [MasterZen] I doubt they would try to recapture the city
[15:56] [MasterZen] other than via a naval landing
[15:57] [Panzer_32] we will need one defender though, just in case something wierd happens
[15:57] [Panzer_32] like GS attacks it or something
[15:58] [[ND]Borc] one question, if we cut the iron and if the 2nd iron ist at vox... will rp have no iron anymore?
[15:58] [[ND]Darekill] will you build some barracks there and do they disapear if you would gift us this city for one turne or two?
[15:58] [Panzer_32] where is RP's second Iron?
[15:58] [[ND]Darekill] then RP has no iron borc!
[15:59] [[ND]Borc] so maybe we should send horses and iron to vox anyway , hmm
[15:59] [MasterZen] guys, I have to go to school right now
[15:59] [MasterZen] it was a pleasure chatting as usual
[15:59] [Panzer_32] ok
[15:59] [[ND]Darekill] okay bye
[15:59] [[ND]Borc] and i have to go home... we have still enough turns...
[15:59] [[ND]Borc] let us continue next week?
[15:59] [Panzer_32] Now would ND's ansars attack the northern front?
[15:59] [MasterZen] ok, cya
[16:00] [[ND]Borc] bye mz
[16:00] [MasterZen] AUF WIEDERSEHEN
[16:00] [MasterZen] ADIOS
[16:00] * MasterZen has quit IRC (Quit: I hate my thesis... )
[16:00] [[ND]Borc] yes we like the Marlowa-]road-]south-]city-triangle plan
[16:01] [Panzer_32] ok, just to clarify, that city would be 2 south of Marlowa?
[16:01] [[ND]Borc] yes, so we can attack in one move 3 spanisch cities :-))
[16:01] [[ND]Borc] and so many rp troups have to be forified there by togas
[16:01] [Panzer_32] I don't think Zaragoza would be reachable in 1 turn
[16:02] [Panzer_32] Ansars are two move, right?
[16:03] [[ND]Borc] 3 moves
[16:03] [[ND]Darekill] no Ansar are just as fast as Riders
[16:04] [Panzer_32] oh, ok. Zargoza is reachable
[16:04] [[ND]Darekill] it is!
[16:04] [[ND]Borc] ok, friends please send me the chat log if you are finished... family is calling bye!
[16:04] [Panzer_32] but you'll attack across a river
[16:04] [Panzer_32] bye borc
[16:05] [[ND]Borc] bye
[16:05] * [ND]Borc has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving )
[16:05] [[ND]Darekill] no because we are south of the river.
[16:05] [Panzer_32] how?
[16:06] [[ND]Darekill] first step river crosed. second step mov to city third move attack.
[16:06] [Panzer_32] but river crossed is two moves. It is forest
[16:06] [Panzer_32] sorry never mind
[16:07] [Panzer_32] It looks like forest on my screen but it is grassland
[16:07] [[ND]Darekill] it is.
[16:08] [[ND]Darekill] I'll have to go now too.
[16:08] [Panzer_32] ok, bye Darekill
[16:08] [[ND]Darekill] let us meet next week ok.?
[16:08] [[ND]Darekill] bye
[16:08] * [ND]Darekill has left #GoW
[16:08] [Panzer_32] ok, but I'll probably be late next week
[16:08] [[ND]Zayxus] bye
[16:08] [Panzer_32] bye
[16:09] * [ND]Zayxus has quit IRC (Quit: cu )

[UnOrthOdOx]

[15:44] [[ND]Darekill] but if you found this, and we found it why should togas be worse...


Aparantly Im not the only one with the impression that Togas is controlling RP, and they are not acting like a TEAM?

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
[15:44] [[ND]Darekill] but if you found this, and we found it why should togas be worse...


Aparantly Im not the only one with the impression that Togas is controlling RP, and they are not acting like a TEAM?

I'm pretty much of the opinion that Togas is the RP PTW Team. The others are just role playing and have no clue they are on a Civ Demo team.