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2nd chat....
to be continued...
Session Start: Thu Jun 05 11:25:59 2003
Session Ident: #GoW
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[12:49] [Borc] finally :-)
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[12:50] [Zayxus] here we arrived...
[12:50] [Essigeimer] hi and good evening from Mavdad/ND
[12:50] * Borc is now known as [ND]Borc
[12:51] [[ND]Borc] and poor master zen is alone again?
[12:51] [MasterZen] jajajaja
[12:51] [[ND]Darekill] Hi everybody
[12:51] * Zayxus is now known as [ND]Zayxus
[12:51] [[ND]Darekill] MZ i hope you are not afraid...
[12:51] [Essigeimer] perhaps his slaves are still preparing the food
[12:51] [MasterZen] me afraid???
[12:51] [MasterZen] NEVER! :P
[12:51] * Essigeimer is now known as [ND]Essigeimer
[12:51] [MasterZen] If I were French I might be though...
[12:52] [[ND]Darekill] the only gow under five ND members
[12:52] [MasterZen] we are a small team, but we pack a big punch!
[12:52] [[ND]Essigeimer] lets take the king as a hostage
[12:52] [MasterZen] hehehe
[12:52] [MasterZen] brb
[12:52] [[ND]Darekill] We do not take hostages.
[12:53] [[ND]Darekill] GoW are trusted friends and alleys
[12:53] [[ND]Essigeimer] yes, we are lovely and friendly to the great and famous GoW
[12:53] [[ND]Borc] brb
[12:54] [[ND]Darekill] brb=be right back
[12:54] [MasterZen] back
[12:54] [MasterZen] have you seen GS's announcement?
[12:54] [[ND]Darekill] Yes *g*
[12:54] [[ND]Borc] no!
[12:55] [[ND]Borc] what happened?
[12:55] [MasterZen] they landed two stacks of troops cutting off Vox's iron
[12:55] [[ND]Darekill] They are pissed off. They cut the voxian iron supply and vox gets iron from someone
[12:56] [MasterZen] basically they have "threatened" anyone who might give Iron to Vox
[12:56] [[ND]Darekill] who do you think it is?
[12:56] [[ND]Borc] they still get iron? waoo!
[12:56] [heli0s] hi
[12:56] [MasterZen] hello
[12:56] [[ND]Darekill] We have two iron one for you one for us.
[12:56] [MasterZen] RP has an extra iron
[12:56] [MasterZen] they will most likely supply it to Vox
[12:57] [[ND]Darekill] Spain has as far as we know only one iron connected
[12:57] [[ND]Darekill] that would mean it is legoland...
[12:57] [MasterZen] I don't think Legoland has a route to Vox or do they?
[12:58] [MasterZen] Well, I am worried about one thing:
[12:58] [[ND]Darekill] wouldn't we be able to see a iron colony if Spain would found one?
[12:58] [MasterZen] if we are at war with RP, GS can land a stack very easily at Bob since they have the Lighthouse
[12:59] [MasterZen] and it would be a huge distraction to our war plans
[12:59] [[ND]Darekill] We actually have relatively good connections to GS
[12:59] [MasterZen] good
[12:59] [MasterZen] I have an evil idea though...
[13:00] [MasterZen] if we push RP into giving Vox the iron, that will get GS pissed off
[13:00] [MasterZen] RP is also planning to send units over there
[13:00] [[ND]Darekill] if we could make them belive that spain supplys the iron to vox...
[13:00] [MasterZen] if GS gets pissed off with Vox, while we act nice to them, they will feel very much less inclined to intervene in our war
[13:01] [MasterZen] * sorry, if GS gets pissed off with RP
[13:02] [MasterZen] what do you think of this?
[13:02] [[ND]Darekill] We can play good guy bad guy here.
[13:02] [[ND]Darekill] We have good connections to GS but almost none to Vox.
[13:03] * heli0s is now known as helios|away
[13:03] [[ND]Darekill] it seems it is the other way around with you?
[13:03] [MasterZen] well, more or less, we aren't in bad terms with GS
[13:03] [MasterZen] our relationship has gotten better since the "horseman incident"
[13:04] [[ND]Darekill] we already warned GS of a comming invasion from RP.
[13:04] [[ND]Borc] i would like to invite GS to a chat with ND next week... so it is good that we talk abouut this!
[13:04] [MasterZen] that would be nice
[13:05] [[ND]Darekill] btw we have a swordsman in the back of Spain. and a scout on legolan..
[13:05] [[ND]Darekill] legoland
[13:05] [MasterZen] really?
[13:05] [[ND]Darekill] yes
[13:05] [MasterZen] all I wan tis to get GS neutral during our war
[13:06] [[ND]Borc] master zen: if we chat with GS - what do they think about the GS-GoW war at the moment?
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[13:06] [MasterZen] there is no war
[13:06] [feanor0815] hello all
[13:06] [MasterZen] we have resumed relations after the horseman incident
[13:06] [MasterZen] hello feanor!
[13:06] [[ND]Borc] of cause we will talk not about our alliance to GS
[13:07] [MasterZen] you are allied to GS?
[13:07] * feanor0815 is now known as [ND]feanor0815
[13:07] [[ND]Borc] no we are allied with GoW but we will not talk about this to GS
[13:07] [MasterZen] ohh.. OUR alliance, ok
[13:07] [[ND]Borc]
[13:07] [MasterZen] no, that is our big bad secret
[13:07] [[ND]Darekill] *g* yes we have an allianc with them to crush the evil GoW do you want to join?
[13:08] [MasterZen] sure! where do I sign up? hehehe
[13:08] [MasterZen] I hate those GoW guys!
[13:08] [[ND]Darekill] brb
[13:08] [MasterZen] ok
[13:09] [[ND]Borc] Master Zen, can i give you a short summary of the last week in neu demogyptica
[13:09] [MasterZen] sure
[13:09] [[ND]Borc] 1) probably we will have a new governemnt next week
[13:09] [[ND]Borc] 4 ministers: zayxus, darekill, bor, zerialienguru
[13:10] [[ND]Borc] 2) many of us saw panzers map
[13:10] [[ND]Borc] there was no revolt in nd *g
[13:10] [MasterZen] hahaha
[13:11] [[ND]Borc] 3) we told all our people, that
[13:11] [[ND]Borc] a) the war will begin in about 15 turns (maybe 12 now)
[13:11] [MasterZen] ok
[13:11] [[ND]Borc] b) you will atack rp one turn earlier then we do
[13:11] [[ND]Borc] 4) we started to discuss a warmap
[13:12] [[ND]Borc] iwe did not made a final decision but may i can send you a map via email?
[13:12] [MasterZen] sure
[13:12] [[ND]Borc] mompls
[13:13] [[ND]Darekill] back
[13:14] [MasterZen] I've been thinking alot about how to take out RP's iron
[13:15] [[ND]Borc] mz? @hotmail.com? or the other one?
[13:15] [MasterZen] the other one please
[13:15] [[ND]Darekill] we have one Swordsman in their back
[13:15] [MasterZen] I hate hotmail
[13:15] [[ND]Borc] k
[13:15] [MasterZen] raguil@masterzen.net
[13:16] [[ND]Borc] on the way
[13:16] [MasterZen] I need the latest save... Panzer didn't forward it to me, do you guys have it?
[13:17] [[ND]Borc] darekill has it
[13:17] [MasterZen] darekill, could you forward it to me plzzzz?
[13:17] [[ND]Darekill] your e-mail pleas...
[13:18] [MasterZen] raguil@masterzen.net
[13:18] [[ND]Darekill] ****. i dont have it here.
[13:18] [[ND]Darekill] It is on another computer...
[13:18] [MasterZen] ok, don't worry
[13:18] [MasterZen] I just opened the map
[13:19] [[ND]Borc] btw: on the map you see the swordsman and the 2nd iron of rp
[13:19] [MasterZen] yes
[13:20] [MasterZen] do they know about your swordsman?
[13:20] [[ND]Borc] no
[13:20] [[ND]Borc] he landed 1 turn ago
[13:21] [MasterZen] hehe... cool
[13:21] [[ND]Darekill] i want to test how close they watch their backyard.
[13:21] [MasterZen] I doubt they do
[13:21] [MasterZen] now, here's the big one: have you passed through the iron near Vigo? Is it defended?
[13:21] [[ND]Darekill] if they do not. we will land some more troops there some Infantry
[13:22] [[ND]Borc] they have at vigo one speerman on the iron, right darekill
[13:22] [[ND]Darekill] yes the one in the cityradius is defendet by a spearman.
[13:22] [[ND]Borc] 2 turns ago
[13:23] [[ND]Borc] in another 2 turns our ship will have a look there again
[13:23] [[ND]Borc] on the way back
[13:23] [MasterZen] It's a tough position to attack
[13:23] [[ND]Darekill] they didn't protets our trespassing the spanish waters.
[13:23] [MasterZen] especially if they move pikemen...
[13:23] [[ND]Darekill] protest
[13:24] [[ND]Borc] mz: the map shows not a final war plan - not at all
[13:24] [MasterZen] yes, I know
[13:24] [[ND]Darekill] well would be nice if we could distract some troops from the front.
[13:24] [[ND]Borc] ithe map shows 6 front sections to defend
[13:24] [[ND]Borc] and 6 attack targets (a1 to a6)
[13:24] [[ND]Borc] we will not attack ALL 6 targets - of cause
[13:25] [MasterZen] yes, A1 seems to be a little far off... hehehe
[13:25] [[ND]Borc] there is one iportant question for the defense
[13:25] [[ND]Borc] important
[13:25] [[ND]Borc] do you see front section 5 and 6 in the east?
[13:25] [MasterZen] yes
[13:26] [[ND]Borc] 6 means the possibility for RP to land ships
[13:26] [MasterZen] yes
[13:26] [[ND]Borc] in the north of mavdad or in the east of thordoba
[13:26] [MasterZen] we can send our galleys
[13:27] [[ND]Borc] yes you have to watch there ships coming from bilbao
[13:27] [[ND]Essigeimer] how many galleys you have at the moment, Zen?
[13:27] [MasterZen] 3 or 4 I think
[13:28] [MasterZen] they are all at Port Isolation
[13:28] [[ND]Darekill] excelent they can block the landing.
[13:28] [[ND]Borc] great! mabye you can send 2 of them to close the section 6 there
[13:29] [MasterZen] we can definitely send 2 at least
[13:29] [MasterZen] If we have 4 we can send 3
[13:29] [MasterZen] btw, I'm also thinking we can build a road to Mavdad
[13:29] [[ND]Borc] ND will defend sections 1,2,3,4 and you have to close and 6
[13:29] [[ND]Borc] 5 and 6
[13:30] [[ND]Borc] a road to mavdad? its a long way for 15 turns
[13:30] [MasterZen] it's not that long actually...
[13:31] [[ND]Darekill] We should have a RoP in Game for the war.
[13:31] [MasterZen] I need to see our last save but we have a road branching out towards the south
[13:32] [[ND]Essigeimer] Zen, I propose to raise the attack complete at 5 and 6. ND+GoW together with a strong punch
[13:33] [MasterZen] Bilbao should be pretty easy to take
[13:34] [[ND]Darekill] Yes but our Ansar need plains not jungles
[13:34] [MasterZen] btw, It's just 6 tiles from our road to the mountain north of Mavdad
[13:35] [MasterZen] problem is there aren't many plains...
[13:36] [MasterZen] until you get past the jungle
[13:37] [MasterZen] so, let me get this clear, fronts 1, 2, 3 and 4 will be mostly defensive for you?
[13:38] [MasterZen] and we will jointly attack at front 5?
[13:38] [[ND]Darekill] in my eyes yes.
[13:38] [MasterZen] geography would make that easiest IMO
[13:39] [[ND]Borc] its only an ideá, but we want you to discuss it with your team tuntil the next chat!
[13:39] [MasterZen] in Civ3 it is always best to attack with maximum strenght in one place
[13:40] [[ND]feanor0815] what would be your maxstrenght on front 5 in 12 Rounds ?
[13:41] [[ND]Borc] anyway the iron at A2 or better A3 is still a big option ...;-)
[13:41] [MasterZen] at least 8 Riders
[13:42] [MasterZen] the iron should be taken out anyways, that'll make any other attacks much easier
[13:42] [MasterZen] especailly if we catch them off-guard with upgrades and money
[13:43] [[ND]Darekill] we will try to capture the iron but thats not easy.
[13:43] [[ND]Borc] so ND will maybe attack at A3(iron) and together with you at A5...
[13:43] [[ND]Borc] ND also has to defend section 2,3,4
[13:43] [MasterZen] yep
[13:43] [[ND]Borc] so we need more of your UU in section 5
[13:44] [MasterZen] hopefully once they see the power of our initial assualt you won't have to defend at all
[13:44] [[ND]Borc] for bilbao it is enogh but then,,,
[13:44] [MasterZen] problem is $$... horseman to rider upgrade costs $80
[13:45] [[ND]Essigeimer] slaughter your piggy bank
[13:45] [[ND]Borc] thats right :-/ and you also need some pikes to defend your riders
[13:45] [[ND]Borc] as we need also
[13:46] [MasterZen] if we don't build a road to Mavdad sending Pikes will take forever
[13:46] [MasterZen] unless we do it by ship
[13:46] [MasterZen] which will also take quite a while
[13:47] [[ND]Borc] so anyway - if you can send only 8 ( let us say 10 riders ;-)) we should attack together at 5...
[13:47] [MasterZen] yep
[13:48] [MasterZen] how many forces will you be able to put up over there?
[13:48] [[ND]Borc] we still discuss how many pikes we need to defend the frontier cities
[13:49] [[ND]Borc] arnablanca, marlowa, trippolis
[13:49] [[ND]Borc] we would like to have 10 Ansars also for section 5
[13:50] [[ND]Darekill] i think we can provide about 8 to ten Ansar.
[13:50] [MasterZen] that's 20 mobile units more or less... not bad
[13:50] [[ND]Borc] and asome more pikes to defend them, can we do it?
[13:51] [MasterZen] I assume you will have some sort of reserve force for a possible counteattack at home? like infantrys?
[13:51] [[ND]Darekill] The other thing is that we do not have enough money to upgrade all troops and pay a fair price for chivallry in cash...
[13:52] [[ND]Borc] we have infantry! thats right... we almost upgraded all opur swordsmen
[13:52] [[ND]Borc] expensice also :-/
[13:53] [[ND]Darekill] we can however give you a payment in gpt.
[13:53] [MasterZen] at least Ansars aren't as expensive as Riders
[13:53] [MasterZen] I think we can make a good deal with the chivalry payment, so we get enough $$ to complete our upgrades but that you don't spend too much so that it won't hurt your upgrades either
[13:54] [[ND]Borc] so we would like you to ask your people how we can fix the chivalry deal
[13:54] [[ND]Borc] in about how many turns, by the way ?
[13:54] [[ND]Darekill] i hope we can find that agreement but i'm sure we can.
[13:55] [[ND]Darekill] we alway do
[13:55] [MasterZen] ~10 ? I haven't seen the last save
[13:55] [MasterZen] don't worry we will
[13:55] [[ND]Borc] no problem
[13:57] [MasterZen] I'll bring it up in our forum though, as a topic for Chat #3
[13:57] [[ND]Borc] please show them the map with the sections (especially 5 and 6 for you ships)
[13:58] [MasterZen] I will, I'll post it right away
[13:58] [[ND]Borc] it seems we have a good attack plan now :-)
[13:58] [MasterZen] It will get better once we straighten out the details
[13:59] [[ND]Borc] great... and please if nd makes a chat with gs next week and if you have any ideas what we can tell them please message me
[13:59] [MasterZen] ok great
[13:59] [MasterZen] I will also post that
[14:00] [MasterZen] we are actually talking alot about what stand to take regarding GS and Vox
[14:00] [[ND]Borc] imagine, if a unfriendly gs fleed would sail at barcelonas coast just 1 turn before we attack bilbao :-)
[14:00] [MasterZen] things will be decided on very soon
[14:00] [MasterZen] that is what I fear..
[14:00] [MasterZen] that's why we need GS neutral AT ALL COSTS
[14:01] [[ND]Borc] right! we will do our best! they asked for a chat 1 week ago and so we have to meet them
[14:02] [MasterZen] good, I'm going to try and "soften them up" a little next week too
[14:02] [MasterZen] perhaps we will have a chat with them soon also
[14:03] [[ND]Borc] thats ok... maybe gs can give republic to rp and if they have anarchy we can atack
[14:03] [[ND]Borc] better players as i am have to think about it
[14:04] [MasterZen] Spain is religious i think.. they would not pass through anarchy
[14:04] [MasterZen] that's the only reason they're a Monarchy in the first place
[14:05] [[ND]Borc] oh, you see... im not very good for the details
[14:05] [[ND]Borc] we need ghengis for this
[14:06] [MasterZen] hehe
[14:06] * MasterZen wonders what ghengis is doing right now
[14:07] [[ND]Borc] dreaming about bob
[14:07] [[ND]Darekill] it is Borconia Borc you should know
[14:07] [MasterZen] hahaha
[14:08] [MasterZen] it's all one big ZENOPHOBIA
[14:08] [[ND]Borc] LoL
[14:08] [MasterZen] btw, we should start a ND-GoW PBEM
[14:08] [[ND]Borc] if the war starts we should have a big chat party at ND and GoW
[14:08] [MasterZen] hehehe yep
[14:08] [[ND]Borc] we can do the turns very close then
[14:09] [MasterZen] yes, in fact we should have turnchats for every turn
[14:09] [MasterZen] since we play consecutively
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] And a ND-GoW PBEM? would be fine for me, but after the war please...
[14:10] [MasterZen] yes of course, it would be waaay to busy right now
[14:10] [MasterZen] I'm in over 10 PBEMs right now.. hehehe
[14:10] [[ND]Borc] and i have 2 chats the week and to nights with multiplayer civ
[14:10] [[ND]Borc] mz, will you send me a chat log again?
[14:11] [MasterZen] you play multiplayer?
[14:11] [MasterZen] sure, I'll send the log
[14:12] [[ND]Borc] great
[14:13] [MasterZen] btw... one more thing
[14:14] [MasterZen] are you still discussing Panzer's map or have you reached a decision on whether you agree or not?
[14:15] [[ND]Darekill] Yes we are discussing it and there is a poll running.
[14:16] [[ND]Darekill] Things don't look bad in this case.
[14:16] [MasterZen] ok
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[12:49] [Borc] finally :-)
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[12:50] [Zayxus] here we arrived...
[12:50] [Essigeimer] hi and good evening from Mavdad/ND
[12:50] * Borc is now known as [ND]Borc
[12:51] [[ND]Borc] and poor master zen is alone again?
[12:51] [MasterZen] jajajaja
[12:51] [[ND]Darekill] Hi everybody
[12:51] * Zayxus is now known as [ND]Zayxus
[12:51] [[ND]Darekill] MZ i hope you are not afraid...
[12:51] [Essigeimer] perhaps his slaves are still preparing the food
[12:51] [MasterZen] me afraid???
[12:51] [MasterZen] NEVER! :P
[12:51] * Essigeimer is now known as [ND]Essigeimer
[12:51] [MasterZen] If I were French I might be though...
[12:52] [[ND]Darekill] the only gow under five ND members
[12:52] [MasterZen] we are a small team, but we pack a big punch!
[12:52] [[ND]Essigeimer] lets take the king as a hostage
[12:52] [MasterZen] hehehe
[12:52] [MasterZen] brb
[12:52] [[ND]Darekill] We do not take hostages.
[12:53] [[ND]Darekill] GoW are trusted friends and alleys
[12:53] [[ND]Essigeimer] yes, we are lovely and friendly to the great and famous GoW
[12:53] [[ND]Borc] brb
[12:54] [[ND]Darekill] brb=be right back
[12:54] [MasterZen] back
[12:54] [MasterZen] have you seen GS's announcement?
[12:54] [[ND]Darekill] Yes *g*
[12:54] [[ND]Borc] no!
[12:55] [[ND]Borc] what happened?
[12:55] [MasterZen] they landed two stacks of troops cutting off Vox's iron
[12:55] [[ND]Darekill] They are pissed off. They cut the voxian iron supply and vox gets iron from someone
[12:56] [MasterZen] basically they have "threatened" anyone who might give Iron to Vox
[12:56] [[ND]Darekill] who do you think it is?
[12:56] [[ND]Borc] they still get iron? waoo!
[12:56] [heli0s] hi
[12:56] [MasterZen] hello
[12:56] [[ND]Darekill] We have two iron one for you one for us.
[12:56] [MasterZen] RP has an extra iron
[12:56] [MasterZen] they will most likely supply it to Vox
[12:57] [[ND]Darekill] Spain has as far as we know only one iron connected
[12:57] [[ND]Darekill] that would mean it is legoland...
[12:57] [MasterZen] I don't think Legoland has a route to Vox or do they?
[12:58] [MasterZen] Well, I am worried about one thing:
[12:58] [[ND]Darekill] wouldn't we be able to see a iron colony if Spain would found one?
[12:58] [MasterZen] if we are at war with RP, GS can land a stack very easily at Bob since they have the Lighthouse
[12:59] [MasterZen] and it would be a huge distraction to our war plans
[12:59] [[ND]Darekill] We actually have relatively good connections to GS
[12:59] [MasterZen] good
[12:59] [MasterZen] I have an evil idea though...
[13:00] [MasterZen] if we push RP into giving Vox the iron, that will get GS pissed off
[13:00] [MasterZen] RP is also planning to send units over there
[13:00] [[ND]Darekill] if we could make them belive that spain supplys the iron to vox...
[13:00] [MasterZen] if GS gets pissed off with Vox, while we act nice to them, they will feel very much less inclined to intervene in our war
[13:01] [MasterZen] * sorry, if GS gets pissed off with RP
[13:02] [MasterZen] what do you think of this?
[13:02] [[ND]Darekill] We can play good guy bad guy here.
[13:02] [[ND]Darekill] We have good connections to GS but almost none to Vox.
[13:03] * heli0s is now known as helios|away
[13:03] [[ND]Darekill] it seems it is the other way around with you?
[13:03] [MasterZen] well, more or less, we aren't in bad terms with GS
[13:03] [MasterZen] our relationship has gotten better since the "horseman incident"
[13:04] [[ND]Darekill] we already warned GS of a comming invasion from RP.
[13:04] [[ND]Borc] i would like to invite GS to a chat with ND next week... so it is good that we talk abouut this!
[13:04] [MasterZen] that would be nice
[13:05] [[ND]Darekill] btw we have a swordsman in the back of Spain. and a scout on legolan..
[13:05] [[ND]Darekill] legoland
[13:05] [MasterZen] really?
[13:05] [[ND]Darekill] yes
[13:05] [MasterZen] all I wan tis to get GS neutral during our war
[13:06] [[ND]Borc] master zen: if we chat with GS - what do they think about the GS-GoW war at the moment?
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[13:06] [MasterZen] there is no war
[13:06] [feanor0815] hello all
[13:06] [MasterZen] we have resumed relations after the horseman incident
[13:06] [MasterZen] hello feanor!
[13:06] [[ND]Borc] of cause we will talk not about our alliance to GS
[13:07] [MasterZen] you are allied to GS?
[13:07] * feanor0815 is now known as [ND]feanor0815
[13:07] [[ND]Borc] no we are allied with GoW but we will not talk about this to GS
[13:07] [MasterZen] ohh.. OUR alliance, ok
[13:07] [[ND]Borc]
[13:07] [MasterZen] no, that is our big bad secret
[13:07] [[ND]Darekill] *g* yes we have an allianc with them to crush the evil GoW do you want to join?
[13:08] [MasterZen] sure! where do I sign up? hehehe
[13:08] [MasterZen] I hate those GoW guys!
[13:08] [[ND]Darekill] brb
[13:08] [MasterZen] ok
[13:09] [[ND]Borc] Master Zen, can i give you a short summary of the last week in neu demogyptica
[13:09] [MasterZen] sure
[13:09] [[ND]Borc] 1) probably we will have a new governemnt next week
[13:09] [[ND]Borc] 4 ministers: zayxus, darekill, bor, zerialienguru
[13:10] [[ND]Borc] 2) many of us saw panzers map
[13:10] [[ND]Borc] there was no revolt in nd *g
[13:10] [MasterZen] hahaha
[13:11] [[ND]Borc] 3) we told all our people, that
[13:11] [[ND]Borc] a) the war will begin in about 15 turns (maybe 12 now)
[13:11] [MasterZen] ok
[13:11] [[ND]Borc] b) you will atack rp one turn earlier then we do
[13:11] [[ND]Borc] 4) we started to discuss a warmap
[13:12] [[ND]Borc] iwe did not made a final decision but may i can send you a map via email?
[13:12] [MasterZen] sure
[13:12] [[ND]Borc] mompls
[13:13] [[ND]Darekill] back
[13:14] [MasterZen] I've been thinking alot about how to take out RP's iron
[13:15] [[ND]Borc] mz? @hotmail.com? or the other one?
[13:15] [MasterZen] the other one please
[13:15] [[ND]Darekill] we have one Swordsman in their back
[13:15] [MasterZen] I hate hotmail
[13:15] [[ND]Borc] k
[13:15] [MasterZen] raguil@masterzen.net
[13:16] [[ND]Borc] on the way
[13:16] [MasterZen] I need the latest save... Panzer didn't forward it to me, do you guys have it?
[13:17] [[ND]Borc] darekill has it
[13:17] [MasterZen] darekill, could you forward it to me plzzzz?
[13:17] [[ND]Darekill] your e-mail pleas...
[13:18] [MasterZen] raguil@masterzen.net
[13:18] [[ND]Darekill] ****. i dont have it here.
[13:18] [[ND]Darekill] It is on another computer...
[13:18] [MasterZen] ok, don't worry
[13:18] [MasterZen] I just opened the map
[13:19] [[ND]Borc] btw: on the map you see the swordsman and the 2nd iron of rp
[13:19] [MasterZen] yes
[13:20] [MasterZen] do they know about your swordsman?
[13:20] [[ND]Borc] no
[13:20] [[ND]Borc] he landed 1 turn ago
[13:21] [MasterZen] hehe... cool
[13:21] [[ND]Darekill] i want to test how close they watch their backyard.
[13:21] [MasterZen] I doubt they do
[13:21] [MasterZen] now, here's the big one: have you passed through the iron near Vigo? Is it defended?
[13:21] [[ND]Darekill] if they do not. we will land some more troops there some Infantry
[13:22] [[ND]Borc] they have at vigo one speerman on the iron, right darekill
[13:22] [[ND]Darekill] yes the one in the cityradius is defendet by a spearman.
[13:22] [[ND]Borc] 2 turns ago
[13:23] [[ND]Borc] in another 2 turns our ship will have a look there again
[13:23] [[ND]Borc] on the way back
[13:23] [MasterZen] It's a tough position to attack
[13:23] [[ND]Darekill] they didn't protets our trespassing the spanish waters.
[13:23] [MasterZen] especially if they move pikemen...
[13:23] [[ND]Darekill] protest
[13:24] [[ND]Borc] mz: the map shows not a final war plan - not at all
[13:24] [MasterZen] yes, I know
[13:24] [[ND]Darekill] well would be nice if we could distract some troops from the front.
[13:24] [[ND]Borc] ithe map shows 6 front sections to defend
[13:24] [[ND]Borc] and 6 attack targets (a1 to a6)
[13:24] [[ND]Borc] we will not attack ALL 6 targets - of cause
[13:25] [MasterZen] yes, A1 seems to be a little far off... hehehe
[13:25] [[ND]Borc] there is one iportant question for the defense
[13:25] [[ND]Borc] important
[13:25] [[ND]Borc] do you see front section 5 and 6 in the east?
[13:25] [MasterZen] yes
[13:26] [[ND]Borc] 6 means the possibility for RP to land ships
[13:26] [MasterZen] yes
[13:26] [[ND]Borc] in the north of mavdad or in the east of thordoba
[13:26] [MasterZen] we can send our galleys
[13:27] [[ND]Borc] yes you have to watch there ships coming from bilbao
[13:27] [[ND]Essigeimer] how many galleys you have at the moment, Zen?
[13:27] [MasterZen] 3 or 4 I think
[13:28] [MasterZen] they are all at Port Isolation
[13:28] [[ND]Darekill] excelent they can block the landing.
[13:28] [[ND]Borc] great! mabye you can send 2 of them to close the section 6 there
[13:29] [MasterZen] we can definitely send 2 at least
[13:29] [MasterZen] If we have 4 we can send 3
[13:29] [MasterZen] btw, I'm also thinking we can build a road to Mavdad
[13:29] [[ND]Borc] ND will defend sections 1,2,3,4 and you have to close and 6
[13:29] [[ND]Borc] 5 and 6
[13:30] [[ND]Borc] a road to mavdad? its a long way for 15 turns
[13:30] [MasterZen] it's not that long actually...
[13:31] [[ND]Darekill] We should have a RoP in Game for the war.
[13:31] [MasterZen] I need to see our last save but we have a road branching out towards the south
[13:32] [[ND]Essigeimer] Zen, I propose to raise the attack complete at 5 and 6. ND+GoW together with a strong punch
[13:33] [MasterZen] Bilbao should be pretty easy to take
[13:34] [[ND]Darekill] Yes but our Ansar need plains not jungles
[13:34] [MasterZen] btw, It's just 6 tiles from our road to the mountain north of Mavdad
[13:35] [MasterZen] problem is there aren't many plains...
[13:36] [MasterZen] until you get past the jungle
[13:37] [MasterZen] so, let me get this clear, fronts 1, 2, 3 and 4 will be mostly defensive for you?
[13:38] [MasterZen] and we will jointly attack at front 5?
[13:38] [[ND]Darekill] in my eyes yes.
[13:38] [MasterZen] geography would make that easiest IMO
[13:39] [[ND]Borc] its only an ideá, but we want you to discuss it with your team tuntil the next chat!
[13:39] [MasterZen] in Civ3 it is always best to attack with maximum strenght in one place
[13:40] [[ND]feanor0815] what would be your maxstrenght on front 5 in 12 Rounds ?
[13:41] [[ND]Borc] anyway the iron at A2 or better A3 is still a big option ...;-)
[13:41] [MasterZen] at least 8 Riders
[13:42] [MasterZen] the iron should be taken out anyways, that'll make any other attacks much easier
[13:42] [MasterZen] especailly if we catch them off-guard with upgrades and money
[13:43] [[ND]Darekill] we will try to capture the iron but thats not easy.
[13:43] [[ND]Borc] so ND will maybe attack at A3(iron) and together with you at A5...
[13:43] [[ND]Borc] ND also has to defend section 2,3,4
[13:43] [MasterZen] yep
[13:43] [[ND]Borc] so we need more of your UU in section 5
[13:44] [MasterZen] hopefully once they see the power of our initial assualt you won't have to defend at all
[13:44] [[ND]Borc] for bilbao it is enogh but then,,,
[13:44] [MasterZen] problem is $$... horseman to rider upgrade costs $80
[13:45] [[ND]Essigeimer] slaughter your piggy bank
[13:45] [[ND]Borc] thats right :-/ and you also need some pikes to defend your riders
[13:45] [[ND]Borc] as we need also
[13:46] [MasterZen] if we don't build a road to Mavdad sending Pikes will take forever
[13:46] [MasterZen] unless we do it by ship
[13:46] [MasterZen] which will also take quite a while
[13:47] [[ND]Borc] so anyway - if you can send only 8 ( let us say 10 riders ;-)) we should attack together at 5...
[13:47] [MasterZen] yep
[13:48] [MasterZen] how many forces will you be able to put up over there?
[13:48] [[ND]Borc] we still discuss how many pikes we need to defend the frontier cities
[13:49] [[ND]Borc] arnablanca, marlowa, trippolis
[13:49] [[ND]Borc] we would like to have 10 Ansars also for section 5
[13:50] [[ND]Darekill] i think we can provide about 8 to ten Ansar.
[13:50] [MasterZen] that's 20 mobile units more or less... not bad
[13:50] [[ND]Borc] and asome more pikes to defend them, can we do it?
[13:51] [MasterZen] I assume you will have some sort of reserve force for a possible counteattack at home? like infantrys?
[13:51] [[ND]Darekill] The other thing is that we do not have enough money to upgrade all troops and pay a fair price for chivallry in cash...
[13:52] [[ND]Borc] we have infantry! thats right... we almost upgraded all opur swordsmen
[13:52] [[ND]Borc] expensice also :-/
[13:53] [[ND]Darekill] we can however give you a payment in gpt.
[13:53] [MasterZen] at least Ansars aren't as expensive as Riders
[13:53] [MasterZen] I think we can make a good deal with the chivalry payment, so we get enough $$ to complete our upgrades but that you don't spend too much so that it won't hurt your upgrades either
[13:54] [[ND]Borc] so we would like you to ask your people how we can fix the chivalry deal
[13:54] [[ND]Borc] in about how many turns, by the way ?
[13:54] [[ND]Darekill] i hope we can find that agreement but i'm sure we can.
[13:55] [[ND]Darekill] we alway do
[13:55] [MasterZen] ~10 ? I haven't seen the last save
[13:55] [MasterZen] don't worry we will
[13:55] [[ND]Borc] no problem
[13:57] [MasterZen] I'll bring it up in our forum though, as a topic for Chat #3
[13:57] [[ND]Borc] please show them the map with the sections (especially 5 and 6 for you ships)
[13:58] [MasterZen] I will, I'll post it right away
[13:58] [[ND]Borc] it seems we have a good attack plan now :-)
[13:58] [MasterZen] It will get better once we straighten out the details
[13:59] [[ND]Borc] great... and please if nd makes a chat with gs next week and if you have any ideas what we can tell them please message me
[13:59] [MasterZen] ok great
[13:59] [MasterZen] I will also post that
[14:00] [MasterZen] we are actually talking alot about what stand to take regarding GS and Vox
[14:00] [[ND]Borc] imagine, if a unfriendly gs fleed would sail at barcelonas coast just 1 turn before we attack bilbao :-)
[14:00] [MasterZen] things will be decided on very soon
[14:00] [MasterZen] that is what I fear..
[14:00] [MasterZen] that's why we need GS neutral AT ALL COSTS
[14:01] [[ND]Borc] right! we will do our best! they asked for a chat 1 week ago and so we have to meet them
[14:02] [MasterZen] good, I'm going to try and "soften them up" a little next week too
[14:02] [MasterZen] perhaps we will have a chat with them soon also
[14:03] [[ND]Borc] thats ok... maybe gs can give republic to rp and if they have anarchy we can atack
[14:03] [[ND]Borc] better players as i am have to think about it
[14:04] [MasterZen] Spain is religious i think.. they would not pass through anarchy
[14:04] [MasterZen] that's the only reason they're a Monarchy in the first place
[14:05] [[ND]Borc] oh, you see... im not very good for the details
[14:05] [[ND]Borc] we need ghengis for this
[14:06] [MasterZen] hehe
[14:06] * MasterZen wonders what ghengis is doing right now
[14:07] [[ND]Borc] dreaming about bob
[14:07] [[ND]Darekill] it is Borconia Borc you should know
[14:07] [MasterZen] hahaha
[14:08] [MasterZen] it's all one big ZENOPHOBIA
[14:08] [[ND]Borc] LoL
[14:08] [MasterZen] btw, we should start a ND-GoW PBEM
[14:08] [[ND]Borc] if the war starts we should have a big chat party at ND and GoW
[14:08] [MasterZen] hehehe yep
[14:08] [[ND]Borc] we can do the turns very close then
[14:09] [MasterZen] yes, in fact we should have turnchats for every turn
[14:09] [MasterZen] since we play consecutively
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] And a ND-GoW PBEM? would be fine for me, but after the war please...
[14:10] [MasterZen] yes of course, it would be waaay to busy right now
[14:10] [MasterZen] I'm in over 10 PBEMs right now.. hehehe
[14:10] [[ND]Borc] and i have 2 chats the week and to nights with multiplayer civ
[14:10] [[ND]Borc] mz, will you send me a chat log again?
[14:11] [MasterZen] you play multiplayer?
[14:11] [MasterZen] sure, I'll send the log
[14:12] [[ND]Borc] great
[14:13] [MasterZen] btw... one more thing
[14:14] [MasterZen] are you still discussing Panzer's map or have you reached a decision on whether you agree or not?
[14:15] [[ND]Darekill] Yes we are discussing it and there is a poll running.
[14:16] [[ND]Darekill] Things don't look bad in this case.
[14:16] [MasterZen] ok
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