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**Shiber** · April 11, 2003, 19:09

I do - no more shots of our troops winning, or any shots from the battlefield at all. The former is basically rubbing their noses at their own defeats, which is far from nice. The latter could expose intelligence - after all, we don't really know what they know and don't know, so let's just not take any more chances.
That's my own personal opinion. However, others may think that posting screenshots has some added value that I didn't consider. In any case, if anyone objects I would suggest that we discuss this to form a uniform policy on the public distribution of battlefield shots, or else we might create chaos.

**Shiber** · April 11, 2003, 19:17

By the way, regarding how long we keep the saved game:
So far we've been stretching the 24 hours limit to its end. Obviously noone has or will say that they like it, but I think this makes us look dignified. However, after we've repelled Vox's attacked and began steamrolling all over them, where it wouldn't be necessary to keep the save, I suggest that we forward the save as quick as possible.
If we keep the save for long when it is clear that our victory is already guaranteed, it would seem like we're planning as thoroughly and being as efficient as if we were fighting for our capital. There's nothing wrong with that, really, but in the public scene, I think this could make us look somewhat cruel to Vox. They have no sympathizers now, but we could easily make them the underdogs again without intending to - let's try our best to avoid that.

I'm not at all saying that these considerations should take precedence over other considerations, e.g. if we really have to keep the save file to discuss something thoroughly or to finalize a deal. But when it's possible to follow these considerations without actually harming ourselves in the process, I would recommend that we do so.

**DeepO** · April 11, 2003, 19:44

I agree Aeson... but let's not write Vox off yet, so trash talking still allowed

In any case, the lieing stuff should end, and we should never tell them something was stupid. We already made that mistake a couple of times, and the way this seems to be going, there will be enough opportunities later.

Screenshots: I would agree, Shiber, however there are exceptions. But we shouldn't be posting screenies anymore withouth group discussion.
Screenies generally don't do much wrong if they do not reveal any map information to teams (and assuming Vox has been trading its map to more people, that has not been the case thus far), nor disclose troop strength to Vox (eg by showing how many units remained after an attack).

The reason why we sometimes need to disclose screenies is because it's fun, and others are waiting to see some info. Let's not disappoint the audience

DeepO

**asleepathewheel** · April 11, 2003, 19:52

I will feel tense until we take the northern iron supply, then and only then, I think, can we relax. (assuming bob doesn't pitch in)

**notyoueither** · April 11, 2003, 23:06

How do we know the screen shot is legit?

Seems to me that GoW was playing a part in the farce of the second landing. Can we rely on intel supplied by them? I'm not saying ignore it, but don't bet the empire on it. So, I am in general agreement with Aeson, but tending towards more sceptical..

BTW, I haven't seen it. Where is it?

**asleepathewheel** · April 11, 2003, 23:11

Originally posted by notyoueither
How do we know the screen shot is legit?

Seems to me that GoW was playing a part in the farce of the second landing. Can we rely on intel supplied by them? I'm not saying ignore it, but don't bet the empire on it. So, I am in general agreement with Aeson, but tending towards more sceptical..

BTW, I haven't seen it. Where is it?

page five of the latest turn thread, towards the bottom.

I checked it against our maps and the geography looked the same to me, but that would easily be faked, and surely they wouldn't be that careless.

I don't think we should necessarily believe the screen shot. They will get what they want out of us, feudalism, in 2 or 3 turns, and they know we won't lose the war by then. after that they will have less use for us, so they very well might be setting us up.

**notyoueither** · April 11, 2003, 23:24

Yup. I also found curious the bit about 2 Horsemen in the Galley.

Found the shot, thanks.

**nbarclay** · April 12, 2003, 00:20

My feeling is that if Vox pushes, they should expect us to push back, but we shouldn't rub their noses in things unilaterally. My posting the screenshot of the immortal's death was a reaction to two specific provocations. First, there was Eli's avatar showing Grog's death. And second, when I corrected Wittlich's boast about the loss ratio with a report of the death of an immortal (information they would have gotten in their turn in any case), he responded saying, "Talk is cheap." Put those together and posting a nice blow-up of their immortal's death seemed like a suitable response. (Edit: And yes, I know this is all in fun; I'm not using the term "provocation" in the sense of something evil, but just in the sense of a good-natured poke that seems to call for a good-natured poke back.)

If Vox keeps trash talking even while they lose, I consider it fair game to trash talk back - within reason. But I certainly agree that we should not be cruel about it. We might be deadly enemies in the game, but we want to emerge friends in real life.

Nathan

**notyoueither** · April 12, 2003, 01:43

re the Screen shot from GoW.

Do they not have Vox's world map? Vox sold us a map that included all of GoW's land. It is entirely possible that Vox got a map and did not give theirs, and that GoW does not yet have the Vox map, but...

Also, using that graphics mod, how should the shielded tile 9 of the Galley display? I don't see a shield.

**nbarclay** · April 12, 2003, 02:14

If GoW traded maps with someone else (RP, maybe?) who then sold/traded a map to Vox, Vox could have GoW's map without GoW having Vox's and without GoW even necessarily knowing that Vox has theirs.

**notyoueither** · April 12, 2003, 02:31

Yes, I know.

However, I remain a sceptic. The 'I return' shennanigans lend to that. The whole vibe that GF gives off reinforces it.

I am not saying ignore the shots, I am cautioning against accepting them as legit without question. BTW, how should that bonus grass appear with that graphics mod?

**nbarclay** · April 12, 2003, 02:42

I pay little attention to graphics mods, so I'm afraid I can't help you there.

**Shiber** · April 12, 2003, 07:20

Originally posted by DeepO
Screenshots: I would agree, Shiber, however there are exceptions.

Agreed. Posting pictures of our troops entering their capital is certainly ok.

In any case, posting screenshots before the war really turns in our favor is not a very good idea IMHO.

**FrustratedPoet** · April 12, 2003, 07:41

Originally posted by notyoueither
How do we know the screen shot is legit?

I'm convinced it isn't. Check my out "Forensic Photoshop" thread.

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