News Flash: Lux is Dead.

[notyoueither]

Hmmm. I have never lost one since i started doing that.

From the formula, the specialists should just about assure no flip.

[Aeson]

Doesn't the number of tiles in the city radius claimed by another's culture also play a big role? Also I tend to play on larger maps, so offensives happen a long ways away from my Palace in comparison to their's.

[asleepathewheel]

re: culture

I know that we have no culture, only from the capital. Vox is probably similar, I can't see them taking the time to build a temple in one of their four cities, though that may be the case. if so, we are better off, rather a temple than a couple units.

Once we build a wonder, our culture output will be much higher than theirs.

Furthermore, I don't think that our war with Vox will take more than a handful of turns, hopefully, so culture won't come into play. Of course we would have to exterminate them. Of course, if they pull a lux and buy a city off island, we would have to deal with the problems then.

what about razing the cities for workers? I know its pretty inefficient, and the other teams can capture the northern half of the continent, but if we prep a few settlers just in case....

Of course vox might abandon all of their cities ala lux.


My final point is a suggestion: we draft coracle as a minister to deal with potential culture flips.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
My final point is a suggestion: we draft coracle as a minister to deal with potential culture flips.

Where is that black ball?

[Shiber]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Vox is probably similar, I can't see them taking the time to build a temple in one of their four cities, though that may be the case.

They must have built a temple. Otherwise, how could The Voice be rated higher than EotS in the demographics screen?
I'm not especially concerned though. I'm sure we can outrun Vox in the cultural race with the help of our wonder and a few cheap temples. (btw, who's in for the Sistine Chapel?)

[nbarclay]

Maybe after Leo's, we can consider Sistine if we aren't too busy. But the equations WC+Leo's+50g=Knight and WC+Leo's+60g=Cavalry are very hard to argue with.

[Shiber]

So is getting WLTPD even in large cities with the few luxuries that we have, and thus enjoying the effects of an extra courthouse on our production (not to mention not needing to build Colosseums for a while).

[nbarclay]

Four born content + 1 from a temple + 6 from cathedrals with sistine would handle a size of 11. That's not quite enough to put us in a situation where size-12 cities would have everyone content without colosseums, so we'd still need enough luxuries to flip the first 11 from content to happy before the 12th would become content. That means one luxury more and we wouldn't need Sistine to get WLTPD, or one less and we couldn't get WLTPD even with Sistine. Also, for Sistine to take effect, we would need temples and cathedrals in addition to the cost of Sistine itself.

Ever since I got used to how huge an effect luxuries can have on happiness when coupled with marketplaces, Sistine hasn't thrilled me the way it once did. I still regard Sistine as definitely nice, but I regard Leo's as a higher priority these days.

Nathan

[DeepO]

culture flipping: I don't set all citizens to taxmen, rushing workers or settlers, no... but there have been only a few games in which I had to deal with mass flippings too. AFAIK, it doesn't matter if a foreign citizen is a specialist or not, the difference is if he's a resistor or not. And yes, tiles do count equal, which can be the biggest problem in moderate size cities.

In the formula, the sum of foreigners and tiles is mulitplied by the ratio of total culture, which is why I said from the start that we have to make sure that we don't get below half of any neighbour's culture. Otherwise there is no holding back, a city we build with 2 foreign tiles can be completely pacified with 2 warriors if we have half the culture of the civ with those 2 tiles. A city we conquer with 2 foreign citizens, no tiles needs 4 warriors in the same situation. This is still acceptable, as you will need defenders anyway, but if it gets worse (e.g. 5 times the culture) there is no reasonable way of preventing all flips. We are not going to stack 40 troops in a size 4 city to keep it ours...

As other civs have (all?) build temples a while back, we should really start thinking on building some culture of our own, preferably in the form of libraries. The pyramids don't bring that much culture that it will offset the early temples of other civs...

As to WLTKD: very helpful, but only possible in size 6 cities, which assume an aquaduct (as conquering will reduce size). It won't help us in the first war...

My final point is a suggestion: we draft coracle as a minister to deal with potential culture flips.

Coracle isn't around anymore, but I realized we have a perfect replacement: bigfree1 is forced to leave Lux, why don't we invite him

DeepO

[Dominae]

bigfree1 is a handful, but he's definitely constructive...quite the opposite from Coracle.


Dominae

[DeepO]

You're right, Dominae. He more reminds me of jimmytrick, who also has a lot constructive things to add, but has a funny way of expressing his 'enthousiasm' for the game. bf1 certainly is a fan...

DeepO

[Lawrence of Arabia]

these lux members will be out for revenge. if we do let them in, weneed to be sure that they dont push us towards war.