Turn 63, 1450 BC

[DeepO]

Originally posted by alva
* alva awaits an apology, but is relieved that he's not senile (yet)*

well, if I offended you in some way, please accept my apology... but know that it was not my intention. I simply wanted to warn that we don't really know anything about the buildup in ND forces (true, they have ~10 swords, according to Trip, and he said he anticipated 20 swords very soon), and that the 'rumours' we heared were quite vague...

RP will have a quite good idea of ND's military strength, and I doubt that we can add information to it, without revealing where it comes from, or why we think it would be accurate. The most we can say is something like 'it seems ND has a stronger force then anyone on the continent, we hope you won't be attacked soon', but anything more specific makes our relation to Lux less secret IMHO. And note that in one of the last messages I sent to RP, I mentioned to them that if they needed a loan, we might be able to supply it to them, that's already a quite big commitment, and a show of our empathy (? compassion wasn't the right word, is empathy it?) wrt their situation.

DeepO

[Shiber]

I suggest that ambassadors edit the finals of the deals that they worked out into the top post so that the player won't make any embarrassing mistakes.
I took the liberty of editing in the deal with GoW (we offer CoL for 150 gold, they accept and offer us Map Making for 150 gold when they're done researching it).

[alva]

Good, once we have turn deals going on, we'll reall need that.

[DeepO]

Okay, what's the consensus here, do ambassadors edit 'their' deals, or do we centralize it with Zeit? I didn't include the deal with RP so far...

DeepO

[Shiber]

For the sake of responsiveness, let the ambassadors edit 'their' deals into the top post, which Zeit can, of course, re-edit should he choose to do so.

[nbarclay]

I'd rather wait another turn before distributing Code of Laws to give us an extra day or so in case ND comes up with an offer. Also, from what RP said, I'm less than 100% confident that they have Literature yet.

[Shiber]

Can't we ask RP for clarification? There's still plenty of time for that, since Lux is holding up the save for some reason.

[alva]

since Lux is holding up the save for some reason

The only reason I can think of is they are (re)negotiating with Vox..or (lego?)

[DeepO]

bah, is there any difference? because all the offers won't be accepted by us, the soonest anyone will get CoL is in 2 turns from now. So, ND will next turn see the full cost in F6...

OTOH, if a Bob team made a deal with ND to trade CoL to them, it can be made already, and the delay doesn't give us anything.

If we see in F6 that literature is not discovered yet, we have a half decent reason to delay it anyway, but frankly, I see no point in delaying it... we should simply get a response from ND.

Alva, I'm not sure you did this already, but could you check with Murkel that his e-mail notification is on? it's entirely possible that he needs to check into 'poly to see his PMs, I thought he wasn't very known around this forum.

DeepO

[nbarclay]

Vox went ahead and offered us the 75 gold planned in the revised deal. I checked the poll I put up, and only one person voted so far (I haven't tried to vote there yet myself), so I think the team's feeling is that we don't understand the situation well enough to make a decision. I'm inclined to reject the offer this turn and send back a note to the effect that we need to clarify some things. Unfortunately, I won't have time to address the issue properly until Saturday. Thoughts, anyone?

Nathan

[nbarclay]

Score information:

111 (+2) Gathering Storm
119 (+2) Demogyptica
99 (+2) Glory of War
125 (+3) Role Play
87 (+2) Vox Controli
70 (-1) Lux Invicta
133 (+3) Legoland

[alva]

Accept it, we can always give it back....

[nbarclay]

Okay, I accepted the gold.

Checking research costs, it looks like RP does have Literature finished.

[nbarclay]

Portia is still size 2 and undefended.

[nbarclay]

Screenshots sent. My inclination is to go ahead and wait a turn to start offering Code of Laws in-game to give us more time to try to bargain with ND. Any objections?