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  • #16
    Don;t we need to upgrade at least one Warrior to have the Swordsman as our most powerful unit?

    Add'l requirement: We see an Immortal, Trip should consider his ass trashed.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dominae
      Do we have the military might to back up these demands, as of now? I mean, we can definitely take them out, but I'm not big on wasting the gold on an upgrade just to remove a lousy pop-rushed Spearmen. Or are you hoping they'll assume we can back up our demands?


      Dominae
      Yes, and no.

      We currently have a couple of Warriors who could most likely take a fortified Spear. We could have a Vet Sword very soon.

      The point is not whether we can do this now, the point is that we will prepare whatever it takes to occupy Portia if we are not comfortable with the terms of their 'visit'. They certainly would not be able to out build us on the military front.

      The important bit is to make it clear that we are uneasy with how rapidly this deal was done between Vox and Lux. It upset the balance of power in our region. We are willing to stand down and not reassert the status quo if they assure us that we can believe what we have been told.

      All of the terms mentioned simply take Lux at their word and make it clear what will happen if they are being deceitful, except for the Map and tech clauses. As for those clauses, we are offering to give them Writing and Map Making to speed them on their way. Again, that would be taking them at their word. In exchange for their refuge on our borders and the tech we will give them. we are asking for a small benefit.

      If they decline, then their words are worthless, and we should destroy them.
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      • #18
        btw, I would offer to chat with Dominae and Trip. I am well aquainted with Trip. I think I may be able to make these terms seem not so severe to him.
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        • #19
          I'm up for such a chat; I should be online most of the evening.


          Dominae
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          • #20
            OK. Trip is on now. I will see if I can raise him.

            Question. Should we chat with their acceptance of the 10 points outined above as the goal?
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            • #21
              Dominae. Join #planning

              Anyone else as well. Please be very reserved. We don't want to spook them.
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              • #22
                I like them, except:

                1. Start with one Spearmen, settle on two if necessary.

                5. I think we can give them a bit of slack here. Let's say something like: "Other than the Iron, we will leave your lands alone, but know that we have you surrounded and will not hesitate to march in at the first sign of something fishy".

                8. Sounds a little strong too. Let's propose it, but I'm willing to let this one go. No one wants to trade with them anyway...I see no way of enforcing it, really.


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                • #23
                  OK. We need to make sure it is clear that GS is not finished discussing this.
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                  • #24
                    I'm trying to join using java-chat here on 'poly... can't get in.
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                    • #25
                      Would it be possible for me to get in on whatever's left of the discussion?

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                      • #26
                        Come on in. The room has been opened.

                        /Edit. It had been locked.
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                        • #27
                          #planning
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                          • #28
                            What can we ask about their deal with Vox?
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                            • #29
                              Also, can we call Trip out a little on the research deception, their early warlike volatility, and the trust issue?
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                              • #30
                                Already mostly asked.

                                The most significant thing we found out is that they have not paid yet. They will give Vox whatever gold they have left after the aquisition of Writing and Map Making.

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