Turn 60, 1525BC

[Harovan]

To be edited by the leaders of the Scholia.

Status:
- Researching Code of Laws at 100%, ready in 3 turns.
- 48 gold cash, -2 per turn
- Eye of the Storm's radius expands in two turns.

Urgent questions:


Military:
New settler heads down the road toward site #4. (Name, anyone?)

Economy:
Worker near Hurricane starts mine.
EotS finishes settler, starts worker.
Rearrange laborers in EotS to maximize production while still growing next turn and not robbing Hurricane of produciton. (I think that will mean working a FP, an irrigated fur, and an irrigated plains, but I'm not positive.)

Diplomacy:
- Note to Vox: We finally want contact to Lux

[FrustratedPoet]

Re: Turn 60, 1525BC

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Diplomacy:
- Note to Vox: We finally want contact to Lux

We STILL haven't got it?

Their failure to give it to us by now goes beyond simple forgetfulness ... they are either terminally stupid or they are deliberately stalling to keep us at a disadvantage. Neither is at all acceptable in a trading partner.

[zeit]

I've sent Vox a note regarding the contact. I hope this was a serie of mistakes, but i can't think of any reason why Vox keeps contact from us- do they have some secret deal with them?

Seems unlikely...

[alva]

Strange, very strange....

Why would they do this? No need to aggrivate us by doing this, is there?

[Shiber]

Shouldn't we start working on coordinating the sale of CoL?

[Shiber]

Please join #bfm. BFM invited me there to discuss, with BetaHound, the possibility of transferring Lux's funds to Vox and GS. I made it very clear that I am not an official representative of Gathering Storm, so we're only brainstorming, but it'd be very handy if an appointed diplomat from GS was present.

[Shiber]

Here's the log up until the point where I had to restart my computer. I understand Sir Ralph took over shortly thereafter:

[16:57] (Shiber) Hello
[16:57] (Shiber) how are we doing?
[17:01] (Tuome) Umm... what is this place?
[17:01] (Shiber) it is a channel that BigFurryMonster opened, for which reason i don't know
[17:01] (BigFurryMonster) The reason is to have a chat with some people
[17:01] (BigFurryMonster) Tuome - can I ask you to leave, plz?
[17:02] (BetaHound) yo
[17:02] (BigFurryMonster) Hey
[17:02] (BetaHound) whi is tuome
[17:02] (BetaHound) who
[17:02] (BigFurryMonster) Dunno - I just asked him to leave
[17:03] (BetaHound) still here
[17:03] (BigFurryMonster) I don't know how to secure a channel. Do you?
[17:03] (BetaHound) nope
[17:03] (BetaHound) Shiber - can you do it and invite BFM and me.
[17:03] (BetaHound) ah - Ok
[17:03] (BetaHound) Hi Shiber.
[17:03] (BigFurryMonster) Oh - T. is gone
[17:03] (Shiber) as long as noone is here, it doesn't matter
[17:03] (BigFurryMonster) Great
[17:04] (BetaHound) yes
[17:04] (BetaHound) Shiber - how are you?
[17:04] (Shiber) BigFurryMonster, i recommend that you give both BetaHound and myself op status.
[17:04] (Shiber) BetaHound, wonderful
[17:04] (BigFurryMonster) Shiber - how do I do that?
[17:04] (BetaHound) Before we get ther shiber, I have a question ..
[17:04] (BigFurryMonster) ok
[17:04] (BetaHound) It was what I wanted to talk about.
[17:04] (Shiber) type /op BetaHound Shiber
[17:05] (BigFurryMonster) yeah
[17:05] (BetaHound) what does that do. Felt good.
[17:05] (BigFurryMonster) You now have a '@' thingy next to your name
[17:05] (Shiber) just gives us equal privileges in this room
[17:05] (BetaHound) Oh - oK
[17:05] (BetaHound) So my question..
[17:06] (BetaHound) Whi is GS so eager to get communications/contact with Lux?
[17:06] (Shiber) be right back
[17:06] (BetaHound) Second question - what does afk mean?
[17:07] (BigFurryMonster) Away From Keyboard
[17:07] (BigFurryMonster) Or 'Kennel' in your case ;-)
[17:07] (BetaHound) Thanks. A long mystery solved.
[17:08] (BetaHound) I have only been involved in Apolyton and chat room stuff since November, so I an still in a learning mode.
[17:08] (Shiber) i am back
[17:08] (Shiber) BigFurryMonster, BetaHound, before we begin, I'd like to ask,
[17:09] (Shiber) is any of you an official representative of your respective teams?
[17:09] (BigFurryMonster) I am.
[17:09] (BetaHound) I am VFA for Vox.
[17:09] (BetaHound) Voice of foreign affairs.
[17:09] (BetaHound) Same as FAM.
[17:10] (BetaHound) OK?
[17:10] (Shiber) BetaHound and BigFurryMonster, I would like to note that I am not an official representative of Gathering Storm on this matter.
[17:10] (BigFurryMonster) Noted.
[17:10] (Shiber) Everything I do and say represents me and me only.
[17:10] (BetaHound) Noted.
[17:11] (BetaHound) Are you uncomfortable with this chat?
[17:11] (Shiber) Furthermore, I am not at all certain that continuing this conversation would be regarded as proper practice in the eyes of my colleagues.
[17:11] (Shiber) BetaHound, yes, quite
[17:11] (Shiber) Though, there still might be something that I can help you with, so speak up.
[17:12] (BigFurryMonster) Beta has a Q. If you're uncomfortable to answer, just don't
[17:12] (BetaHound) OK - I am trying to figure out why GS is so eager to make contact with a soon-to-be dead civilization - ie Lux.
[17:12] * BigFurryMonster disagrees on the 'dead' part
[17:12] (Shiber) eager?
[17:12] (Shiber) i'm surprised to hear that
[17:13] (Shiber) let us refrain from such expressions
[17:13] (BetaHound)
[17:13] (BetaHound) agreed
[17:13] (BetaHound) Yes - I have two PM's - one from nathan - another from zeit. Pleasantly worded, but keen on the contact. Both ackowkedge that Lux will be exiting the world stage soon.
[17:13] (Shiber) BetaHound, in order for you to understand our nature, I would have to answer your question with another question: why is Vox Controli so eager to delay the trade of contact with Lux Invicta to Gathering Storm?
[17:14] (Shiber) or at least it would seem so, since it has been three turns now since we asked for this contact
[17:15] (BetaHound) Amongst friends here - we were pitching a deal to Lux that rather than have their gold reservs fall into NeuD's hands, they send it to us before their demise. We felt GS may want to do the same.
[17:15] (Shiber) BetaHound, to be honest, we are simply puzzled that your team chose to delay the passing of this contact.
[17:15] (BetaHound) Understand?
[17:15] (Shiber) Interesting you mention that, I have proposed the same deal to my team.
[17:15] (Shiber) it was not accepted by a majority though
[17:16] (BigFurryMonster) Shiber - which deal?
[17:16] (Shiber) however, I regard it as highly important to ensure that Lux's funds do not fall to the hands of their enemies
[17:16] (BetaHound) But do you understand our point on this?
[17:16] (BigFurryMonster) Trip and I agree that we must draw our chequebook soon
[17:16] (Shiber) BigFurryMonster, proposing to your team that if you see that your civilization is about to fall, you will transfer your funds to our civ, instead of letting it fall to the hands of your hated enemies
[17:17] (BigFurryMonster) OK. We would need contact for that, indeed
[17:17] (BetaHound) Your civ, Shiber?
[17:17] (BigFurryMonster) But there will be no need for us if we die completely
[17:18] (Shiber) Yes, Gathering Storm. Not 'my civ' as in the civ I own, but the civ I come from, as in 'my country', 'my school' and so on.
[17:18] (BetaHound) You missdmy point.
[17:19] (BetaHound) Let me explain. No responses for a second - OK?
[17:19] (Shiber) BigFurryMonster, in any case, you can transfer your funds or part of it to Vox and GS for safekeeping, and should you (hopefully) survive this war, we will return it immediately upon your request
[17:19] (Shiber) ok
[17:20] (BetaHound) and then you ask why we would want to delay giving you contact?
[17:21] (Shiber) we did not realize that you would ask Lux for that
[17:21] (Shiber) in any case, GS did not accept my proposal
[17:21] (BetaHound) OK.
[17:21] (Shiber) though they may reconsider it now that Vox is in it too
[17:22] (BetaHound) sigh...
[17:22] (Shiber) have i missed your point again?
[17:23] (BetaHound) no - you would have to be in our shoes living next door to GS to understand. That is not meant as bitter or critical satement, just a fcat of life.
[17:23] (BetaHound) fact
[17:24] (Shiber) I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Sorry if I may be slow, or missing out on something here.
[17:25] (BetaHound) Ok - but please don't respons for a minute until I say I am finished. Ok.
[17:25] (BetaHound) GS and Vox get off to a shaky start...
[17:25] (BetaHound) But we reach an agreement on trade and border...
[17:26] (BetaHound) GS clearly has the advnatage of more and better land...
[17:26] (BetaHound) Vox has the advantage of contact with ethe other continent - and its civs...
[17:26] (BetaHound) We agree to not take advantage of our leverage ...
[17:27] (BetaHound) Wew have been model partnesr in this deal...
[17:27] (BetaHound) Other tan the odd 'honest forgetting' to do things on certain turns...
[17:28] (BetaHound) Two players - Diss and myself ... sometimes we miss stuff... honestly ...
[17:28] (BetaHound) We have not held anything back...
[17:28] (BetaHound) Other than this latest matter of Lux ...
[17:28] (BetaHound) And I have explained my reasons why ...
[17:29] (BetaHound) And when I do ...
[17:29] (Shiber) i must apologize, i am having severe problems with my computer
[17:29] (Shiber) i will have to restart
[17:29] (Shiber) i'm terribly sorry
[17:29] * BigFurryMonster will wait for you

[alva]

Oh, Shiber, could you unban and register me back to the GS room. Didn't know you had to check in at least once each month.
Thanks

[Shiber]

Done.
I'll stick around if anyone whose nicks have expired wants to use this channel as well. Send a message or post in this thread if you need any help.

[nbarclay]

Lux gave us contact with Neu Demogyptica, and checking who we can engage in diplomacy with, we have contact with Lux as well. We now have contact with everyone but Lego!

[nbarclay]

Looking at possible deals, Lux is the only civ that is missing a tech we have: they don't have Writing yet.

[nbarclay]

Portia (formerly Dissidentville) is now Lux's capital. It looks like they abandoned their old capital rather than let it fall, as expected. I moved Hack north to have a look, and there are no units in the city. I also moved Gronk north to maintain our anti-barb watch.

[nbarclay]

Vox is clearing the jungle tile "9" from Portia. Once that's done, our WCs will have a path clear through to Vox's homeland if we want it sometime.

[nbarclay]

After some thought, I moved Zonk 2 to so we won't be forced to leave either our settler or our worker uncovered against the remote possibility of barbs in the far south. No barbs spotted. A "2" move next turn could verify that no barbs are close enough to strike while we're settling, or he can move to cover the settler next turn with the assurance that the worker won't be attacked while he's doing it.

Edit: Sorry about all these unplanned moves, but we didn't realize the Vox/Lux deal would move quite so fast and I hadn't thought about the barbarian situation in the south until I moved the settler and started thinking about the escort situation.

[alva]

they don't have Writing yet.

Guess where they are going to get it from...