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Okay... I didn't found any other thread, so let's start this as our comments thread on the legoland log
First comment: we just finished a chat with legoland. I'm not sure about how it went, the pace changed greatly.
In short, first I was chatting with q_m, but he is a terribly typer (or at least so it seemed), where I had to wait sometimes minutes before something got back. I was not getting any info out of him, while I needed to give too much info myself... not good. Primary reason for them to call us to a chat was to tell us there is a 1-tile shallow between our continent, and what they call Bob. (Lux etc.)
After a while, zeit, vondrack and redstar1 joined in, and the chat took of a bit. I'm not sure we did right, maybe it's an idea to give some comments on what we should have mentioned, and what not. As far as possible, I tried to avoid solliciting information, a goal that was certainly violated in the beginning. Later on, the balance was more to our side, I think.
Things we learned from them: they are isolated, and thus nearly beelined for MM, which they have discovered now. They are very close to build a galley (one galley, it seems, no talk about galleys), and are discussing where to send him to. They are not planning on the lighthouse yet, but anticipate that if the galley doesn't find a passable way to other continents (and they think this is very likely, as they are certain that all around them there is at least sea, and not coast), they want to start / convert into building the lighthouse.
Further, they have a large quantity of dyes, and not very good terrain. They called their territory an island at first, but it was my impression it's quite big. It at least has varied terrain, in that they have lots of jungle, a river, desert (possible fps, they didn't answer that one but didn't deny it either), and a peninsula which is mostly mountains. Lastly, there are a lot of barbs which are giveing them headaches, but also a few promotions, and a lot of cash. They mention that they have 3 cities, but I'm not certain whether this meant it was difficult for them to get 3 cities going in the jungle, or they have only 3 cities, and nothing else.
Legoland is interested in trading, and realizes that they are getting behind big time. Occasionally they have contact with other teams, some of which have said them they were going for MM (which we countered, BTW), and they said all the contacted teams were researching tier 3 techs.
They asked what they could trade for techs, and we explored a few possibilities. Maps wasn't agreed on once, but both gold, and slaves was acceptable. They even volunteered to sail their slaves to us, and let us capture them, or give a non-cultured city just to be able to trade slaves, after which the city would be gifted back. Quite encouraging, they said they didn't like the slave deal, but knew that they were going to do something to get even in tech... I would certainly try to get in contact with them, as this can become quite interesting to us, and is an advantage that better not fall in one of the other teams hands.
So, what did we disclose? a lot of talk about Bob, as they were worried a bit, or at least interested on hearing our opinion. Further, little geographical info: we didn't tell them our lux (except for not having gems), we said we had mixed terrain, that our continent was long but thin. They were interested in our situaton with Vox, on which we said it was very tense at first, but improving. The reason for the possible tension came from a blockade, which let them roam free, while we were constrained. (little details on this).
My impression of this chat, but it might have been engineered that way, was that the high score of lego had more to do with a large territory, and not of a high population. And power mostly comes from fighting of barb camps. Further, they might have wanted to let us believe that their island is small, but there are multiple reasons to doubt that, the abundance of barbs for one thing. OTOH, them having only one luxury suggests it's no 2-civ continent either.
Other things? I forgot... I'm hungry, started on this right after getting back from work, in desperate need for a sigaret, and I want to do my turn on the Euro game... I'm going to need to pick one option
DeepO
First comment: we just finished a chat with legoland. I'm not sure about how it went, the pace changed greatly.
In short, first I was chatting with q_m, but he is a terribly typer (or at least so it seemed), where I had to wait sometimes minutes before something got back. I was not getting any info out of him, while I needed to give too much info myself... not good. Primary reason for them to call us to a chat was to tell us there is a 1-tile shallow between our continent, and what they call Bob. (Lux etc.)
After a while, zeit, vondrack and redstar1 joined in, and the chat took of a bit. I'm not sure we did right, maybe it's an idea to give some comments on what we should have mentioned, and what not. As far as possible, I tried to avoid solliciting information, a goal that was certainly violated in the beginning. Later on, the balance was more to our side, I think.
Things we learned from them: they are isolated, and thus nearly beelined for MM, which they have discovered now. They are very close to build a galley (one galley, it seems, no talk about galleys), and are discussing where to send him to. They are not planning on the lighthouse yet, but anticipate that if the galley doesn't find a passable way to other continents (and they think this is very likely, as they are certain that all around them there is at least sea, and not coast), they want to start / convert into building the lighthouse.
Further, they have a large quantity of dyes, and not very good terrain. They called their territory an island at first, but it was my impression it's quite big. It at least has varied terrain, in that they have lots of jungle, a river, desert (possible fps, they didn't answer that one but didn't deny it either), and a peninsula which is mostly mountains. Lastly, there are a lot of barbs which are giveing them headaches, but also a few promotions, and a lot of cash. They mention that they have 3 cities, but I'm not certain whether this meant it was difficult for them to get 3 cities going in the jungle, or they have only 3 cities, and nothing else.
Legoland is interested in trading, and realizes that they are getting behind big time. Occasionally they have contact with other teams, some of which have said them they were going for MM (which we countered, BTW), and they said all the contacted teams were researching tier 3 techs.
They asked what they could trade for techs, and we explored a few possibilities. Maps wasn't agreed on once, but both gold, and slaves was acceptable. They even volunteered to sail their slaves to us, and let us capture them, or give a non-cultured city just to be able to trade slaves, after which the city would be gifted back. Quite encouraging, they said they didn't like the slave deal, but knew that they were going to do something to get even in tech... I would certainly try to get in contact with them, as this can become quite interesting to us, and is an advantage that better not fall in one of the other teams hands.
So, what did we disclose? a lot of talk about Bob, as they were worried a bit, or at least interested on hearing our opinion. Further, little geographical info: we didn't tell them our lux (except for not having gems), we said we had mixed terrain, that our continent was long but thin. They were interested in our situaton with Vox, on which we said it was very tense at first, but improving. The reason for the possible tension came from a blockade, which let them roam free, while we were constrained. (little details on this).
My impression of this chat, but it might have been engineered that way, was that the high score of lego had more to do with a large territory, and not of a high population. And power mostly comes from fighting of barb camps. Further, they might have wanted to let us believe that their island is small, but there are multiple reasons to doubt that, the abundance of barbs for one thing. OTOH, them having only one luxury suggests it's no 2-civ continent either.
Other things? I forgot... I'm hungry, started on this right after getting back from work, in desperate need for a sigaret, and I want to do my turn on the Euro game... I'm going to need to pick one option
DeepO
Silly indeed...
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