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  • Pyramids

    Maybe it's good to start a poll for the pyramid question, to see how far everyone wants to go to get it, and even if the group wants to go for it instead for something else. Our gift is moving over to city site #2 (which still needs a good name), and knowing what to aim for would be a good idea once it gets there.

    I know, some testing needs to be done as to what exactly would be the best strategy, but that shouldn't stop us gathering opinions on what general goal we are aiming for.

    So, the options:
    1. No wonder now.
    We don't need a wondercity now, perhaps later. The production could be better used in building settlers, i.e. classic REX. We leave the pyramids for some other team, and don't try to get it.

    2. Pyramids: perhaps.
    We start on the pyramids, but with just the resources we need, and no special attention. We don't add workers to #2, and if EotS would be better off using some of the furs, let EotS have them. The risk of losing the race is big, but if we do, there are some other options, e.g. the Colossus, or the two GLs.

    3. Pyramids all the way.
    We commit all we can to finishing the pyramids asap. All furs that can be used are used by #2, and if testing would proof that adding a worker to #2 would significantly speed up building time, then we add one or more workers to #2. The pyramids have to be ours, no matter what it takes.
    (I guess there might be some subdivisions in this option: some would really commit all resources to #2, adding even 2 or 3 workers, while others might be more moderate, not boosting pop but still go for max production. Basically this option means we minimize the risk of losing the pyramids.)

    4. Abstain.

    DeepO
    17
    No wonder now
    47.06%
    8
    Pyramids: perhaps
    17.65%
    3
    Pyramids all the way
    29.41%
    5
    abstain
    5.88%
    1

    The poll is expired.


  • #2
    Oh, and naturally I vote 'all the way', adding workers would intuitively be my best guess when it comes to outproducing the other teams. It might stun our initial growth a little, but if testing would reveal it to be a half decent option, I would go for it. Getting the pyramids will probably mean we don't get the G. Library, but it is a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

    DeepO

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    • #3
      No. Not the Pyramids. They would instantly trigger our GA. We're Egypt.

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      • #4
        It's true, one of the disadvantages would be we trigger our GA too soon. OTOH, I believe the pyramids to be worth half a GA for the remaining of the game, instead of a 20 turn GA which might require we pick a fight with someone we want to keep as friends.

        DeepO

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        • #5
          Is there any chance we could have monarchy (or the republic) by the time the Pyramids are finished (or even shortly thereafter?

          Even if not I'm for it. With our city placement strategy the Pyramids' value will be maximized (all those little cities).

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          • #6
            I think we'll be involved wars anyway till the early medieval age. And there'll be more than one contact till this time and by far not everyone will be our friend. Mind you, that other civs want to trigger their GAs as well. We could start a wonder after our capital built 2-3 settlers, but use it as prebuild for the Great Library. This is a huge advantage. After this, head for The Republic and use the cash we make (industrious + no science) to rush-buy our infrastructure. Much better than a GA, if you ask me.

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            • #7
              Re: Pyramids

              This perfectly expresses my feelings on this issue:

              Originally posted by DeepO

              We don't need a wondercity now, perhaps later. The production could be better used in building settlers
              If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.

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              • #8
                Well, I like the GL too, but the problem I see is that we have far from a garantee to get it. Everone will want it, and some other teams are in a better position to get to literature before us. Even if we beeline for literature, and time a prebuild to the best of our abilities, I guess we have less then 50% of getting it first. If OTOH we aim for the pyramids, the odds would be over 90% to get it, with our free settler, and good city position.

                I guess everyone will agree that the GL is the best ancient wonder, but in the hands of a good team, wouldn't the pyramids be a close second? Besides, we might still want to go for the GL, without stopping to build the Pyramids.

                DeepO

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                • #9
                  The only wonder I would argue for is the Colossus (down south).

                  The Pyramids are huge, and will trigger our GA. No thanks.

                  The GL would be nice, and perhaps we ought to consider going up the middle of the tech tree (as opposed to the Monarchy route) to get to republic asap, but even then the GL 1) may not be worth the shield investment and 2) will be heavily contested.

                  -Arrian
                  grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                  The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                  • #10
                    REX.
                    The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                    Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                    • #11
                      humm, well this is dieing fast.

                      I still think that this is something to at least look into in more detail. With all those little cities the Pyramids could be significantly be valuable than they "normally are".

                      I'd like to have some wonder, as a pride issue if nothing else

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                      • #12
                        Pride... now that's an argument I hadn't considered yet. But you're right, building a wonder while still be one of the best what expansion is concerned certainly would be something to be proud of.

                        The poll isn't really going the way I thought it to be, I thought that at least Theseus would vote for it, instead of against it. One of my biggest arguments would be that Rexing would become much easier, in most cities we wouldn't need to build troops or buildings in between settlers and workers, as we gain free granaries from the start. At least it proves the poll was justified, as there are quite some conflicting opinions on the team.

                        DeepO

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                        • #13
                          Judging from our terrain only 3-4 core cities will have a good enough mix of food/shield otuput to REX effectively anyway.
                          A couple of granries in the right place and at the right time would be quite sufficient, I think. We needn't go for the Pyramids.

                          I would, however, like to see the Colossus on a coastal/river city. It's a cheaper wonder and would give us a very nice gold boost.
                          If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.

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                          • #14


                            FP, apart from the two cities on the incense desert in the West, all proposed cities would be good enough to rex with granaries in place! Clasiccal Rex calls for settlers to be built the moment a city hits size 3, and all are able to do that. Of course, when doing it a bit more intelligent, you're not supposed to lose shields by waiting to hit size 3, and some pumps would be allowed, but our terrain is ideal for that.

                            If not for the pyramids, we should build granaries in but a few cities to create pumps, but the added advantage of getting them everywhere will show for a long time. Or at least that is my humble opinion

                            DeepO

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                            • #15
                              /me should take a closer look at the screenshots before opening his big mouth.
                              If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.

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