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[22:07] [10:07pm] vondrack (~vondrack@pha-81-27-194-6.tesnetwork.cz) has joined. «3 people»
[22:07] [10:07pm] {vondrack} hello!
[22:07] {DeepO} hi Vondrack!
[22:07] [10:07pm] {vondrack} early bird, eh?
[22:07] {DeepO}
[22:08] [10:08pm] {vondrack} it's only 8pm GMT...
[22:08] {DeepO} it's 22h here, I thought that meant 21h GMT?
[22:08] {DeepO} they do have summer day time, no?
[22:08] [10:08pm] {vondrack} daylight savings time...
[22:08] [10:08pm] {vondrack} shifts the time by an hour
[22:08] [10:08pm] {vondrack} same here
[22:08] [10:08pm] nye (notyoueith@h24-86-76-127.ed.shawcable.net) has joined. «4 people»
[22:08] {DeepO} hi nye
[22:08] [10:08pm] {nye} hello
[22:08] [10:08pm] {vondrack} heya, nye, mate!
[22:08] [10:08pm] {Aeson} Hello vondrack
[22:08] [10:08pm] {vondrack} hello, Aeson!
[22:09] {DeepO} so, even if I was a bit too early, we maybe can start nonetheless
[22:09] {DeepO} Vondrack, more legos joining?
[22:09] [10:09pm] {vondrack} yes, I think so
[22:09] [10:09pm] {vondrack} no, probably not
[22:09] {DeepO} okay...
[22:09] {DeepO} I'm not entirely sure about your last message
[22:09] {DeepO} was it meant as a final warning?
[22:10] {DeepO} or rather a breaking of diplomatic ties?
[22:10] {DeepO} because we feel you have the wrong impression of what's happening.
[22:10] [10:10pm] {vondrack} if it was breaking diplomatic ties, I would not be here, I think
[22:10] [10:10pm] {vondrack} rather an urgent warning
[22:10] {DeepO} well, we hoped so much
[22:10] {DeepO} okay, did my reply satisfy your worries?
[22:11] [10:11pm] {vondrack} humm... not much, to be honest...
[22:11] [10:11pm] {vondrack} but it's not the message
[22:11] [10:11pm] {vondrack} it's how the whole war is going
[22:11] {DeepO} please explain
[22:11] [10:11pm] {vondrack} RPers seem to be crumbling
[22:11] [10:11pm] {vondrack} and we can see you trying to fill their space
[22:11] {DeepO} we're doing all we can to keep RP alive
[22:12] {DeepO} and we have no interest in their space
[22:12] [10:12pm] {vondrack} at least that is what we would try to do if we were yourself
[22:12] [10:12pm] {vondrack} ummm... GS has no interest in territory on Bob?
[22:12] {DeepO} apart from one point: we have always valued the Lego relation, and want to continue that
[22:12] {DeepO} your concerns are taken into account
[22:13] {DeepO} well, no that's not right. But as explained, we want only the strategic stuff
[22:13] {DeepO} anyway, perhaps nye can explain it better
[22:13] {DeepO} nye?
[22:13] [10:13pm] {nye} vondrack, we need to occupy part of the frontage for rp. we need the cities in the area that we will defend.
[22:14] [10:14pm] {vondrack} that has always been clear
[22:14] [10:14pm] {nye} ok. so we are doing that
[22:14] [10:14pm] {vondrack} though the "part" is getting bigger every turn...
[22:14] [10:14pm] {vondrack} almost every turn
[22:14] [10:14pm] {nye} yes, the riders approach
[22:15] [10:15pm] {vondrack} see, guys, it is like this: as long as we feel that GS is a rival we can cope with peacefully, we will stick to peaceful ways
[22:16] [10:16pm] {nye} understood
[22:16] [10:16pm] {vondrack} once we believe you (or anyone else!) are getting too powerful, we will have to change our approach
[22:16] [10:16pm] {vondrack} this applies to EVERY other team in this game
[22:16] [10:16pm] {vondrack} we may be silly builders, but we still know the rules...
[22:16] [10:16pm] {vondrack} one team to bind them all...
[22:17] [10:17pm] {nye} heh
[22:17] [10:17pm] {nye} yes, i suppose we all want to win
[22:17] [10:17pm] {Aeson} knew we shouldn't let nye put our secret plans on his sig!
[22:17] [10:17pm] {vondrack} the message we (it was not my personal effort) sent you was meant to indicate we are getting increasingly worried about how things proceed on Bob
[22:18] [10:18pm] {vondrack} *we were
[22:18] [10:18pm] {nye} we understand
[22:18] [10:18pm] {vondrack} bad grammar, sorry
[22:18] [10:18pm] {nye} however, we are telling you that many of the cities you see are short term. we need them to defend the area
[22:19] [10:19pm] {vondrack} understood - we are not hurrying troops to Bob either yet
[22:20] [10:20pm] {vondrack} just a side-note... did you guys anticipated how fast RPers would be falling?
[22:20] [10:20pm] {nye} there has been a lot of misinformation posted. we can see how it would be confusing
[22:20] [10:20pm] {vondrack} looking at the map, it looks like they have already lost the war
[22:20] [10:20pm] {nye} this is not a good time for them
[22:20] [10:20pm] {vondrack} yeah
[22:20] [10:20pm] {vondrack} they asked for help
[22:21] [10:21pm] {vondrack} we have been extensively discussing helping them somehow
[22:21] [10:21pm] {vondrack} in a non-military way
[22:21] [10:21pm] {nye} it would be good if you could lend assistance
[22:21] [10:21pm] {vondrack} but all we seem to have (almost) available at this moment
[22:21] [10:21pm] {vondrack} would be Astronomy
[22:21] [10:21pm] {vondrack} and Education, I think - they do not have it yet
[22:22] [10:22pm] {vondrack} either
[22:22] [10:22pm] {nye} some gold would help them
[22:22] [10:22pm] {vondrack} our coffers are almost empty
[22:22] [10:22pm] {nye} but that is up to you and your team
[22:22] [10:22pm] {vondrack} and frankly, we do not feel like giving them gold
[22:22] [10:22pm] {vondrack} too risky business
[22:22] [10:22pm] {nye} how risky?
[22:22] [10:22pm] {vondrack} how long do you expect them to last?
[22:23] [10:23pm] {Aeson} because they are just losing cities
[22:23] [10:23pm] {vondrack} "just"?
[22:23] [10:23pm] {Aeson} meant that's why it's risky
[22:23] [10:23pm] {nye} with adequate help, they are not lost
[22:23] [10:23pm] {vondrack} I can see only 2 decent Spanish cities left
[22:23] [10:23pm] {Aeson} to give them gold... losing cities loses gold
[22:24] [10:24pm] {vondrack} true... though I can imagine they would immediately use the gold for rushes
[22:24] [10:24pm] {nye} i would think they would
[22:24] [10:24pm] {Aeson} so then why does Lego consider it risky?
[22:25] [10:25pm] {vondrack} since we are less then sure they will be around long enough to provide something in return
[22:25] [10:25pm] {nye} we were forced to look at it another way
[22:25] {DeepO} true
[22:25] [10:25pm] {nye} not what rp could give us in return
[22:25] [10:25pm] {nye} but, did we want to see nd triple in size
[22:26] [10:26pm] {nye} all near their palace
[22:26] [10:26pm] {vondrack} we do not believe ND would be allowed to take all their land
[22:26] [10:26pm] {vondrack} they would either have to give up something to GoW
[22:26] [10:26pm] {vondrack} or GoW would backstab
[22:26] [10:26pm] {vondrack} as usually, I might add...
[22:26] [10:26pm] {nye} yes, but nd could double or more in size and gow would still get bits
[22:27] {DeepO} we may have deterioted that equation, btw
[22:27] [10:27pm] {vondrack} ?
[22:27] {DeepO} because we only hampered GoW for the moment
[22:27] {DeepO} as ND was out of reach
[22:27] [10:27pm] {vondrack} yeah
[22:27] {DeepO} the treaty could very well have been that for each city GoW takes
[22:27] {DeepO} they would receive on up North
[22:27] {DeepO} now, GoW is not taking cities
[22:28] {DeepO} making ND even more powerful
[22:28] [10:28pm] {nye} i think you are on the right track, deepo
[22:28] {DeepO} I suspected as much for a while
[22:28] {DeepO} but there were little other options left
[22:28] {DeepO} and... if such a treaty is in place
[22:29] {DeepO} GoW would be very concerned about a backstab too
[22:29] [10:29pm] {nye} not if we wanted to prevent the rise of two civs each the size of lego in land
[22:29] {DeepO} well yes, but in interfering, we destabilized the GoW-ND balance
[22:29] {DeepO} we need to go through with this, now
[22:30] {DeepO} but we can't, if we also have Lego to worry about...
[22:30] [10:30pm] {nye} do you see why we got involved, vondrack?
[22:30] [10:30pm] {vondrack} I am not sure you are right, DeepO... their alliance seems to be pretty solid
[22:30] {DeepO} don't bet on it
[22:30] [10:30pm] {vondrack} yes, we do see that, of course
[22:30] {DeepO} the point is: there is no alliance
[22:31] {DeepO} GoW is under contract
[22:31] {DeepO} once the contract is gone: no more alliance
[22:31] [10:31pm] {vondrack} you sure?
[22:31] [10:31pm] {nye} no, we are not
[22:31] {DeepO} well, not definately
[22:31] [10:31pm] {vondrack} the posts in the public forum would indicate otherwise
[22:31] {DeepO} but all the public posts seem to go in that direction
[22:31] [10:31pm] {vondrack} though I might have been misreading them
[22:32] [10:32pm] {nye} btw, vondrack. does lego have any questions about all that business in the forums?
[22:32] [10:32pm] {vondrack}
[22:32] [10:32pm] {nye} i will answer, if i can
[22:32] [10:32pm] {vondrack}
[22:33] [10:33pm] {vondrack} I do not care the tiniest bit
[22:33] [10:33pm] {vondrack} even if I am unable to resist and keep reading all the stuff
[22:33] [10:33pm] {nye} i thought some of your team might have some questions
[22:33] [10:33pm] {vondrack} if they had, they'd ask, I think
[22:33] [10:33pm] {vondrack} we have no policy re: posting in the public forum
[22:34] [10:34pm] {vondrack} everybody is free to get involved
[22:34] {DeepO} we don't have much policy either, it seems
[22:34] [10:34pm] {vondrack} the thing is that Lego is shrinking
[22:34] [10:34pm] {vondrack} we are losing active members
[22:34] [10:34pm] {nye} how can anyone believe half the stuff posted on the forum?
[22:34] [10:34pm] {vondrack} half???
[22:34] [10:34pm] {vondrack} hehe
[22:34] [10:34pm] {vondrack} sometimes I can barely believe the posters' names...
[22:35] [10:35pm] {nye} disinformation has been very well demonstrated in this game, in that forum
[22:35] {DeepO} most of it coming from GoW...
[22:36] [10:36pm] {nye} i wouldn't say that, DeepO
[22:36] [10:36pm] {vondrack} it was Vox before, it was RPers all the time...
[22:36] {DeepO} well... most, not everything
[22:36] [10:36pm] {vondrack} propaganda is part of this game
[22:36] {DeepO} ah, true
[22:36] [10:36pm] {vondrack} like it or not
[22:36] {DeepO} forgot about the Vox war
[22:36] [10:36pm] {vondrack}
[22:37] [10:37pm] {nye} i find it interesting that opinions are made based on the propaganda
[22:37] [10:37pm] {vondrack} though - I still think the actual effect of the propaganda is very limited
[22:37] [10:37pm] {vondrack} and most ingame decisions are based on facts
[22:37] [10:37pm] {vondrack} not propaganda
[22:37] {DeepO} like RP, even if they're not exactly our buddies, needing our help?
[22:38] [10:38pm] {vondrack} but - yes, it is very interesting to watch the prop wars and their outcomes
[22:38] [10:38pm] {nye} that is why i was wondering if lego felt they needed any facts about all that business
[22:38] [10:38pm] {vondrack} well
[22:38] [10:38pm] {vondrack} the facts...
[22:38] [10:38pm] {vondrack} fact: GS and RP are fighting GoW and ND
[22:39] {DeepO} defending against would be our chosen words
[22:39] [10:39pm] {vondrack} hehe - but it was me choosing them...
[22:39] [10:39pm] {nye} that would be gloss, though
[22:39] [10:39pm] {nye} please go on, vondrack
[22:40] [10:40pm] {vondrack} fact: if any of these teams start getting the upper hand, we have to seriously consider
[22:40] [10:40pm] {vondrack} how much peacenick we really are
[22:40] [10:40pm] {nye} true
[22:40] [10:40pm] {vondrack} since once the war is over
[22:40] [10:40pm] {vondrack} our options will be very limited
[22:41] [10:41pm] {vondrack} overseas invasions are extremely costly
[22:41] [10:41pm] {vondrack} if there is no instant beachhead
[22:41] [10:41pm] {vondrack} like in your case
[22:41] [10:41pm] {vondrack} so... the "facts" discussed in the public forum
[22:41] [10:41pm] {vondrack} are sort of... irrelevant for us
[22:41] [10:41pm] {vondrack} it's not that important who started it
[22:42] [10:42pm] {vondrack} we still have to watch very carefully
[22:42] [10:42pm] {nye} yes
[22:42] [10:42pm] {vondrack} and if the balance shifts too much in any direction
[22:42] [10:42pm] {vondrack} we may be forced to get involved
[22:42] [10:42pm] {vondrack} just like you felt you had to intervene on behalf of RP
[22:43] [10:43pm] {nye} so, you are likely to march against those who are winning?
[22:43] [10:43pm] {vondrack} sounds funny...
[22:43] [10:43pm] {vondrack} but it is probably true
[22:43] [10:43pm] {vondrack} it's difficult to say
[22:44] [10:44pm] {vondrack} without knowing the exact context
[22:44] [10:44pm] {nye} well, as you can see... at this rate there will soon be only 4 armies in the world
[22:44] [10:44pm] {vondrack} ?
[22:44] [10:44pm] {vondrack} are RPers losing even troops?
[22:44] [10:44pm] {nye} rp is fighting, while they have lost production potential
[22:45] [10:45pm] {vondrack} true
[22:45] [10:45pm] {nye} so, eventually, their army will not be very big
[22:45] [10:45pm] {nye} so, then there will be 4
[22:46] [10:46pm] {vondrack} yeah, that sounds just about right
[22:46] [10:46pm] {nye} i wonder...
[22:47] [10:47pm] {nye} there is so much invested in the game, by so many people
[22:47] [10:47pm] {vondrack} that's probably why the flames use to be so intense
[22:47] [10:47pm] {nye} would it be possible for a couple of civs to agree on conduct of the later game?
[22:48] [10:48pm] {vondrack} not sure what you mean
[22:48] [10:48pm] {nye} how will victory be achieved?
[22:48] [10:48pm] {nye} conquest?
[22:48] [10:48pm] {nye} domination?
[22:48] [10:48pm] {nye} un?
[22:48] [10:48pm] {nye} space ship?
[22:49] [10:49pm] {nye} the first two are almost impossible
[22:49] [10:49pm] {nye} in this sort of game
[22:49] [10:49pm] {vondrack} whoever pulling them would be a true master
[22:49] [10:49pm] {nye} yes, they would be
[22:50] [10:50pm] {vondrack} frankly, I have no idea myself... but I know I sometimes wish this game was over
[22:50] [10:50pm] {vondrack} I really wish so...
[22:50] [10:50pm] {vondrack} anyway
[22:50] [10:50pm] {nye} i know what you mean
[22:50] {DeepO} hmmm...same here
[22:50] [10:50pm] {Aeson} we could speed it up
[22:50] [10:50pm] {vondrack} LoL
[22:51] {DeepO} Vondrack, one of the problems we face
[22:52] {DeepO} is that on one hand we need the gold for RP
[22:52] {DeepO} on the other we want to keep researching
[22:52] {DeepO} we still value a tech-partner
[22:52] {DeepO} one sec
[22:52] [10:52pm] {vondrack} k
[22:52] {DeepO} Shiber is knocking
[22:53] {DeepO} okay, that should do it
[22:53] {DeepO} so... seeing as domination or conquest are near impossible
[22:53] {DeepO} we need research.
[22:53] {DeepO} your last message got us worried quite a bit,
[22:54] {DeepO} as it had an undertone of: we don't want no deals no more
[22:54] {DeepO} in that case, banking wouldn't do us much good
[22:54] [10:54pm] Shiber (w00t@bzq-245-89.red.bezeqint.net) has joined. «5 people»
[22:54] [10:54pm] {Shiber} Hi.
[22:54] [10:54pm] {vondrack} hi
[22:54] {DeepO} but we would be obligied to research it
[22:54] {DeepO} hi Shiber
[22:54] [10:54pm] {Shiber} DeepO, your spelling is horrible.
[22:54] {DeepO} is it?
[22:55] [10:55pm] {Shiber} EetMeerAppels?
[22:55] {DeepO} the thing is: we want to research
[22:55] {DeepO} translation: EatMoreApples
[22:55] {DeepO} anyway
[22:55] {DeepO} if we want to research
[22:55] {DeepO} we can't go ful in this wart
[22:55] {DeepO} war
[22:56] {DeepO} and, if we don't have the guarantee we can trade later, it won't be good for us to speed along
[22:56] {DeepO} which makes us much more depending on what you decide
[22:56] [10:56pm] {vondrack} do you need to slow down your banking research?
[22:56] {DeepO} and also explains in part why we value you position so much
[22:56] {DeepO} no, not really needed
[22:56] {DeepO} I mean delaying
[22:57] {DeepO} as it would only make our position after the war worse
[22:57] {DeepO} RP just will have to manage with what we can invest
[22:58] [10:58pm] {nye} well, if we both slowed down, we could both assist rp more
[22:58] {DeepO} that might be needed...
[22:58] [10:58pm] {Shiber} As it looks now, RP could become extinct real soon.
[22:59] [10:59pm] {vondrack} well, we DID discuss the way of helping RP - but we pretty much ruled gold out, to be honest
[23:00] [11:00pm] {vondrack} you have correctly pointed out
[23:00] [11:00pm] {vondrack} that they have pretty much lost their production potential
[23:00] {DeepO} temporary!
[23:00] [11:00pm] {vondrack} and building units for gold will be VERY costly
[23:00] [11:00pm] {nye} they don;t lose any cash to cities falling, if they use it to rush
[23:00] [11:00pm] {vondrack} yeah, sure - but it would be our cash...
[23:01] {DeepO} ours as well, Vondrack
[23:01] [11:01pm] {vondrack} true
[23:01] [11:01pm] Shiber (w00t@bzq-245-89.red.bezeqint.net) invites you to join #fruitcakeman
[23:02] {DeepO} RP needs the cash, and as much as we want them to stay alive, we won't be the only supporters, I fear...
[23:02] [11:02pm] {nye} well, if they do noit get enough assitance, then they could go down. that would leave 2 Bob civs.
[23:02] [11:02pm] {nye} *will go down
[23:03] {DeepO} X-posting
[23:03] [11:03pm] {vondrack} guys, I can see what you are trying to suggest - but I am not authorized to promise anything regarding this
[23:03] [11:03pm] {vondrack} all I can do is to bring it to my team
[23:03] [11:03pm] {nye} of course
[23:04] [11:04pm] {vondrack} otherwise, I would be acting against what we have decided so far (inside the team)
[23:04] [11:04pm] {nye} it would be enough for lego to consider it
[23:05] [11:05pm] {nye} that is a good beginning
[23:05] {DeepO} I very good one...
[23:05] [11:05pm] {vondrack} the log will be posted, as usually - and there is always a discussion about it
[23:05] {DeepO} but please, don't wait too long
[23:05] {DeepO} ND is seriously pressuring RP
[23:07] {DeepO} anything else?
[23:07] {DeepO} if not, allow me too lighten up the mood
[23:07] [11:07pm] {vondrack} I do not think so...
[23:07] [11:07pm] {vondrack} go ahead
[23:08] {DeepO} with what I think is something Vondrack can understand (I don't)
[23:08] {DeepO} http://www.freshsensation.com/samorost.swf
[23:08] {DeepO} I think Aeson is still playing it
[23:08] {DeepO} the point is to keep your planet from being distructed
[23:08] {DeepO} click around, you'll see it coming together
[23:08] {DeepO} and it's Chech, I think
[23:08] [11:08pm] {vondrack} downloading...
[23:09] [11:09pm] {Aeson} nope... the spider fly one caused me too much frustration...
[23:09] {DeepO} Tsjech?
[23:09] {DeepO} Hehe
[23:09] {DeepO} there was another solution
[23:09] {DeepO} that was simply some distraction
[23:09] [11:09pm] {Aeson} I don't know what I was missing, but I couldn't find anything to click that did anything
[23:10] {DeepO} well, it's art after all
[23:10] [11:10pm] {vondrack} LoL
[23:10] [11:10pm] {vondrack} looks lovely
[23:10] {DeepO} but it can be finished!
[23:10] [11:10pm] {vondrack} and it must be something with Czechs...
[23:11] [11:11pm] {vondrack} hehe... seems I have something to do before I go to bed )
[23:11] {DeepO} enjoy...
[23:11] [11:11pm] {vondrack}
[23:11] [11:11pm] {vondrack} thanks
[23:11] {DeepO} I'm leaving, so sweat dreams!
[23:11] [11:11pm] {vondrack} good night, everybody
[23:11] {DeepO} and thanks for the chat
[23:12] [11:12pm] {vondrack} my pleasure
[23:12] [11:12pm] {vondrack} take care, guys!
[23:12] [11:12pm] {Aeson} bye vondrack!
[23:12] [11:12pm] vondrack (~vondrack@pha-81-27-194-6.tesnetwork.cz) has parted. «4 people»
[23:12] {DeepO} okay, I'll post the log
[23:12] {DeepO} bye
Session Close: Mon Aug 04 23:12:36 2003
As the people of Legoland are no doubt aware, the people of the Gathering Storm are presently engaged in the War-to-not-quite-end-all-wars. It is a difficult time for our nation. Aside from the normal stresses of combat, there is the issue of cash flow.
We have previously agreed to research banking in exchange for your research of Astronomy. At the outset, I'd like to be clear that, if Legoland insists upon it, we will certainly abide by the terms of our original deal. However, if your people are willing to restructure the deal in mutually agreeable fashion that would allow the Gathering Storm more free cash for the prosecution of the war, we would be most appreciative. I and my teamates are open to creative solutions, so please don't hesitate to throw some into the mix.
Here is the one thought we've come up with thus far: as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong), Legoland is also interested in the technology of Invention. Invention is less expensive than Banking. What it the Gathering Storm researched Invention instead, and either 1) provided cash reimbursement to Legoland for the difference in technology cost at a later date; or 2) received cash from Legoland for Invention, and not Astronomy. Clearly, I cannot anticipate your exact wants/needs, so my ideas may not be of much use to you. This is why I encourage you to propose other solutions that perhaps fit Legoland's plans better.
The long and the short of it is that we need cash right now, and researching banking (though it could be done) would be quite a strain, and hamper our war efforts. I am by no means naive enough to believe you have any particular interest in assisting our war efforts. However, I do believe it is in your interests to keep us fighting. I can't imagine Legoland wants a decisive victory for ND + GoW, anymore than it wants a decisive victory for GS + RP. So obviously it is up to you to guage whether or not restructuring our tech deal is in your best interests. I leave it to you. As I said, if Legoland insists, we will abide by the original deal.
Respectfully,
-Arrian
Co-general of the armies of the Gathering Storm
Assistant Ambassador to the people of Legoland
Thanks for your quick response. Too bad (for us) about Invention. Maybe there is another solution that works for both of us. I'll keep thinking about it. If not, so be it. We'll have to deal.
-Arrian
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Arrian,
Just briefly acknowledging the receipt of your message. While I personally understand your reasons and needs, I am unable to give you an answer immediately. Changing a tech trade like this will require some discussion and perhaps a re-poll in our team.
One thing I can tell you immediately, though, is that we have already pre-arranged a trade for Invention. We shall get it not immediately after finishing our Astronomy research, but in a reasonable timeframe (soon enough, considering our needs, I'd say) and at a reasonable price, so that's not what we would ask for instead of Banking.
I will present your message to my team and get back to you as soon as I have an official response (I will do my best to have it within 48 hours - certainly before your next turn comes up).
Received from Vondrack (I wasn't online at all this weekend, and 'poly has been down today, so I just got this, sorry):
Dear Arrian,
We have discussed your last message in our Senate. Here is what has become apparent from the discussion and what is now our official stance:
1) We understand your needs and wish to accomodate you. As indicated several times in the public forum, we are well aware of that if a deal ceases to work for both parties, it's time to change it - unless one is happy to make the other party unhappy.
2) ATM, we are basically interested in gold and techs only - neither of which seems to work well for you, as long as a deal for Astronomy is concerned - since you need gold for your war efforts and intend to research Invention (instead of Banking), which we have already prearranged a deal for with another team.
3) Considering the previous two points, we believe that the best solution now would be to agree to renegotiate the tech trade agreement currently in effect, scrapping the Astronomy for Banking tech swap part. We would not hold this against Gathering Storm - it would be a mutually approved change to an existing trade agreement.
4) The trade agreement in effect included a certain, though not expressly specified amount of gold meant to balance the beaker cost difference between Astronomy and Banking. Would you ask for a reimbursement? If you would - what would be the amount and payment schedule?
5) As long as the previous point does not become an issue, we are ready to officially amend the current deal, so that it would not include the Astronomy for Banking swap.
I hope this at least to a certain extent meets your needs. We would hope to trade Astronomy with you once there are other/more options available.
Respectfully,
vondrack
FAM of Legoland
I tried responding with a quick "thanks, I got it" but Vondrack's Messagebox is full.
First, allow me to express the thanks of our people for Legoland's understanding and flexibility in this matter. It is much appreciated.
We've discussed it, and decided that the best course of action is to take you up on your offer to void the Banking-Astronomy deal. We've also discussed the compensation for the difference in tech costs (40gold, was it, from us to you? Please correct me if I'm mistaken!) and decided to waive it, in consideration for your team's willingness to help us out by voiding the deal.
You have mentioned that you will be receiving Invention soon, via a deal with another team. I have four questions regarding that transaction:
1) Can you tell me exactly when you will have Inv?
2) Can you tell me where you're getting it from?
3) Can you sell it to us, or is there a NDA. If so, for how long?
4) If you can sell Invention to us (either now, or when a NDA runs out), how much would you want for it?
Thanks again, and I hope to hear from you soon ('poly willing).
-Arrian
Co-General of the Armies of the Gathering Storm
Assistant Ambassador to the people of Legoland
Consider this note an official addendum to our existing trade agreement, nullifying the part about swapping our Astronomy for your Banking (and consequently, about you being granted the research of Economy). BTW - the gold balance was, IIRC, never precisely specified, as the Edu/Astro/Banking deal involved several assets difficult to value separately, but 40 gold would probably be quite close.
As for Invention... as you might have guessed, we are getting it from Glory of War - very soon, if their word is to be trusted. It comes with an NDA, the length of which has not been specified - pretty much like the agreement we had on Astronomy/Banking. Neither party expressly forbids a future resale arrangement, but the resale rights are not covered by the initial deal... which makes your last question, about the price, impossible to answer. Once we acquire Invention, we will not be allowed to resell it without seeking GoW's permission.
I'm ending up playing the turns a fair amount, so hopefully this will help with recent GS tardiness.
Ummm, new subject: What would you say to a worldwide alliance against ND? Splitting up Bob? Re-building RP? Competing in a build-off?
Theseus / Richard
Hello, Theseus!
Got your PM and from now on, you should be among the GS members receiving the save from Lego (along with nye, Shiber, Sir Ralph, Arrian, aatw, and Cort Haus).
Sorry for not forwarding the recent save - it somehow did not occured to me...
Cheers,
Radek
The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
Ummm... on that new subject... to be honest, it's not really what Lego is planning for or thinking about.
I believe that Arnelos has already informed GS about our chat few days ago. I officially informed him Legoland was not going to help RP in the war, even if RP was to leave the game. I would rather not elaborate on our reasons - but the decision has been extensively discussed and is an almost unanimously accepted by the whole Lego team.
We may be wrong, of course, but our analyses indicate we do not really have to fear ND. We generally have no interest in expanding over to Bob, so getting involved in an aggressive war over there makes little sense for us.
We are watching the developments on Bob closely and if things go "wrong" from our PoV, we'll certainly revisit our plans and overall strategy. But for the moment, we are not ready, nor willing to engage in hostilities against ND.
Best Regards,
Radek aka vondrack
P.S.: Sorry for a bit formal tone - I thought you would like to post the PM in your forum, so I made it sound a bit "official". ... after all, it IS an official statement of the Legoland FAM, which I happen to be.
The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
Would you have a problem if we tried to hire GoW, for all of the previously stated goals? This would of course require the cessation of hostilities between them and RP, which is something we very much desire.
T/R
The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
Nope, Legoland would not have a problem with that.
Cheers,
Radek
The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
Sharpe of Lego has requested a chat. I'll post details if and when it gets going.
The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
It looks like we'll be chatting tomorrow, Monday, around 7:30 pm EST. There is an interesting dynamic: Lego dissidents want to do this without vondrack.
The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
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