Military Calculator

[Meshelic]

Anyone remember the Military Calculator that Mr. Orange created and was subsequently involved in a real doozy of a court hearing (judged by ours truly, NYE)?

I never used it much, and was not sure really how well it applied to the game at the time. BUT I asked the question then and I will ask it now: Should we use the MilCalc as an "experiment"? Not necessarily rely on it's information as completely and totally accurate, but to test it out in the PTWDemoGame? There are NO laws that concern this, NO constitution to abide by (like the mammoth one created in the C3DG, that just ceased to make the game fun for me personally), and no real reason NOT to at least test it out?

NYE I'm looking for some approval of some sort from you. You know way better than anyone here (except maybe maybe a really small few) what it's capable or not capable of. What is your thought?

As well as the thoughts of our teammates of course!
Questions?

[FrustratedPoet]

What are you talking about?

What does the MilCalc do?

[Theseus]

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[notyoueither]

Good idea to check it out Mesh. It does not involve playing ahead in any way. It involves taking numbers from the various advisors, and those that are visible on the map (city size). The only problem would be map information. It is entirely likely that most of the Map will remain dark for a very long time. Obtaining World Maps will be one of the major goals of most wars.

[Meshelic]

Military Calculator Links/Background

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64103

The thread that started a rather large controversy.

http://www.luckyorange.com

The location of the famed Military Calculator. Look about a quarter to halfway down and you will see it, although it's just a link to download it.

Tough to explain, but NYE summed it up pretty well. I'll elaborate a bit more. Mr. Orange decided he wanted to find out how strong the Apolyton military compared to the enemy military is (without using an embassy but by pure intelligence information gauged by the amount of units in the map and several other formulas).

I'm not sure if we were able to find his statistics, graphs and charts (which have thus been deleted long ago) accurate or not, but from what Mr. Orange said, he classified his stats as : ESTIMATED FACTS or something like that.

There was a large drama following it, some players called it cheating, etc etc, took it to the Court of Apolytonia, etc etc, and the rest is history. Mr. Orange ended up leaving the forum because of this creation of his. He would not have left had it not been very important to him, and probably took him a long time to make.

Regardless, once our maps are updated there is no law or rule that says we cannot use it here (not like in the C3DG). And I STRONGLY believe it would give us an added edge that the other teams probably forgot to take advantage of, or may use as well.

[FrustratedPoet]

Why not send Mr.Orange an email (I assume his 'poly account still exists and you can send one to the email he registered with)?

Let him know that we're interested in using it, perhaps he has a new version that he has posted on another Civ site? (since he didn't get a good reception at 'poly)

[Meshelic]

I will do that.

Again, I strongly believe we may hold a very important military advantage if we use his Military Calculator. Although most of the formulas are based off of the information our world map may contain, we will definetely have an edge over the competition. Unless the other teams think about using it....

[OPD]

this is the one I use

although there is another more thorough calculator at a different civ fansite.

[Meshelic]

That Calculator is pretty cool OPD, not bad at all.

Mr. Orange's calculator was a bit more complicated I remember....

[alva]

I've got a feeling we are on a smallish island anyway.

(looking at the minimap)

[Shiber]

AFAIK, the most flexible battle calculator is this one at CivFanatics.
As for Mr. Orange's MilCalc... I'll have to think this through and play around with the MilCalc before I can contribute to this discussion.

[Theseus]

OPD, that'sa combat calculator (the one at CFC is cooler).

I still don't get what this MilCalc thing is.

[Meshelic]

When Mr. Orange first announced it's completion, he used it as an example in the C3DG, using the maps that we had at the time to gauge the military strength of the other nations. I don't know how he did it either.

When he was finished however, he had charts, graphs, etc galore. While before we had no idea what the enemy armies had, we all of a sudden could make comparisons between our armies and theirs, knew how many units they had regionally, etc etc.

It was QUITE impressive. I still don't understand it, but researching it would be worth it I believe.

[Theseus]

On a similar note, what about MapStat? Does it work for PTW saves?

[notyoueither]

MapStat? Is that a crack of some sort? Does it give information on unknown tiles (black area)?