Procedures for GS

[asleepathewheel]

This is a thread devoted to procedures to be followed by GS.

I personally don't think that we need to have many firm procedures in place, as I think and hope we will work most matters out without needing rules.

That said, I think we need to discuss:

1. Election procedures: can we vote in any school, including those we don't belong to? What is the length of the term, start and end dates for the term?

2. Should the executive positions (Pres, vice, vice-vice) be limited to those who have PTW, as they are the people who actually play the game (does not include the ministers). If so we should create a list of those who have PTW and those who will get it and when.

3. Impeachment (from DeepO): What offenses are considered impeachable offenses? How many votes required? Should we worry about this later when (if) the question arises?

4. (edit:added) Should we close the group to new members? If not now, when or at what threshold? There is at least one post in the GS thread of someone looking to join a group, it would be good if we could tell him definatively that we are closed or open.

If there are other procedural matters to be discussed, please raise them here as well.


We should only discuss the items in this thread for a few days, as elections need to be held soon.

[DeepO]

my opinions:

1. All schools allowed, but your own schools preferred. This because people who didn't join a school will likely follow some of the discussions anyway, and can have a better idea as an outsider. OTOH, people who are not that close should vote on something they don't know about.

2. I'd say naturally the players should be those that have PTW, however we should have some kind of consensus as to who is allowed to see the game. I'd like to take a look at the current save as well, if this is possible without disrupting play, not because I want to play myself, but a save can be much more informative than some screenies.
But, I don't like to do this allways, and I certainly don't want to be forced to see each turn, after all the players play, the rest advices / decides. They should have some freedom here...

3. No idea. Is bad play, or a not-very-subtle mistake a reason for impeachment? If players are caught cheating, impeachment would be automatic, and I guess it will be unanimous then. Other reasons... no idea...

4. This is certainly not my call, and I won't comment on whether we need to close the group, but there are two things in respect to the one who asked to join:
1) he needs an answer soon, as this is not very polite to him. If NYE would post a 'this is now being discussed' it would give us some time, no matter the outcome of the close / not close debate.
2) He wants to join, but unlike the 'ringers' (I still love the term ) no-one knows him, I guess. So perhaps some more explanation from him would be welcome: why he likes our team, what he wants to do here, his Civ3 CV, etc. We (the newest members) were accepted without anyone asking any more info, but at least a few of the older members knew us. This is not true for the applicant...

DeepO

[Randolph]

1.
a. Anything that is important enough to hold an actual pole over should probably be voted on by everyone. Most small maters that might be inappropriate for people not intimately involved in what’s going on in that schola to vote on will probably just be discussed.
b. I say about 1 month, seems like a good balance IMO

2. Makes sense, it would certainly be preferable. I think most if not all of us will have it eventually.

3. Let’s hope this isn’t necessary. Maybe common sense will work on this one.

4. Alright I’m going to be the bastard and say no more members unless there’s a reason (and bring those reasons up soon). A coherent team is important; we need to learn how to work together efficiently to make the best decisions in the best way by the deadline. If we want to leave a little more time for people to sign up then fine, but we need to close it at some point. We also don’t want a pile of “sort of” members; we don’t want 10-12 of us to seriously contemplate and vote on something only to have the poll thrown off by 4-5 people who cast an ill-educated vote after reading a quarter of the posts and considering it for 30 seconds.

[Arrian]

I say 3 months for term length. That way, each administration may actually be in office long enough to DO something.

It has the added bonus of cutting down on the frequency of elections.

-Arrian

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Arrian
I say 3 months for term length. That way, each administration may actually be in office long enough to DO something.

It has the added bonus of cutting down on the frequency of elections.

-Arrian

Yeah, that 6 turns or so a month is pretty short. I think we do need more continuity than 6 turns would afford.

[DeepO]

I would certainly hope that not all teams need a day to commit a turn, certainly in the beginning this is in no way necessary. After all, we could move a scout, perhaps move a worker, and that's it... this should be done in less then an hour, and if the players know what is expected of them, they can do this without group discussion.

Once there is something more important (settling a new city...) this becomes different, and once we get into war this is a whole lot different. But at first? I certainly hope that we reach turn 30 in a month time.

Not that that will mean this game is going to speed forwards...

DeepO

[Arrian]

I hope things move quickly too, but I'm not counting on it.

I'm perfectly ok with a "fire and forget" government that's in office for an extended period of time. I figure we will all have our say and will influence the game as much as we choose to by putting in time and effort (whether or not we hold a specific position) or not. But that's me.

-Arrian

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Arrian
I'm perfectly ok with a "fire and forget" government that's in office for an extended period of time. I figure we will all have our say and will influence the game as much as we choose to by putting in time and effort (whether or not we hold a specific position) or not. But that's me.

Yup, that's my view on it as well. The discussions should lay out general rules, and certainly the opening of the game. Any war that is going to take place will be heavily debated, but we should be able to trust our goverment to take those advices to heart, and play according to that without constant group-interaction. Which should speed things up, at least on our side (don't know about the other groups, of course)

DeepO

[DeepO]

Argh... exactly what I feared. NYE we need a Prez action here: our acolyte flash has just started a thread in which he complains we wouldn't let him in! It doesn't matter to me whether he is allowed in or not, but he should get an official answer!!

DeepO

[DeepO]

Heh... the issue has been resolved, it seems... no further Prez action needed. NYE, you get my full support as Prez, but remind me I will never vote on you for being the diplo head, we need someone who can, at certain times, asskiss his way into the best possible deal

DeepO

BTW, for the rest of the team: it seems #4 is resolved: we're closed for new members.

[Meshelic]

Re: Procedures for GS

Term Length - Well in the beginning there will be much less to give orders for. The longest parts of this game will be industrial and modern (if the game makes it that far). In the beginning it shouldn't take even a day per team to submit orders. I don't think it will take as long as everyone seems to think it will, personally....so my vote is for one month per government,...or 5 weeks or so.

Impeachment - hmm tough call. I guess the only cause there would be for impeachment would be if a person was Prez or a minister and went on a leave of absence without appointing someone to relieve him, or didn't even post that he was leaving in the first place. that's really the only thing I can think of. Other that, and possibly double-agents....but I doubt that would ever happen.

Voting in polls - there's nothing to stop anyone on this team from voting in any poll they like, but I think that if everyone votes outside of their Schola then what is the purpose of the Schola in the first place?

Solution : There could be polls that are ONLY for those in that particular Schola, and there will be polls OPEN to all citizens. For example, before going to war there should be a poll in which EVERYONE participates if they can. But during a poll of something smaller like "Do we use Great Leader for an Army" I believe it should fall to those who are 'experts' in that field and belong to that schola....

any of this make sense?

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by DeepO
Heh... the issue has been resolved, it seems... no further Prez action needed. NYE, you get my full support as Prez, but remind me I will never vote on you for being the diplo head, we need someone who can, at certain times, asskiss his way into the best possible deal

DeepO

BTW, for the rest of the team: it seems #4 is resolved: we're closed for new members.

Yes, we apparently have another arch enemy. Hmmm. poor kid.

[DeepO]

Well.. at least he was enthousiastic: he get refused by one team, and instead of asking another, he just starts his own... either he doesn't know what he is starting, or he is very committed. As to arch enemy: I don't expect much from it, but he is giving us a bad name with his anger. That's a pity, I think we will have a hard time as it is when it comes to finding allies.

So, my idea for rule #5: When dealing with the outside world, try to be overly polite to anyone, how insignificant it might seem. We risk that things get taken out of their contest, as it clearly happened here. And if everyone gangs up on us, we will have a hell of a time winning...

DeepO

[Randolph]

On that topic, good job with the damage control Meshelic. We certainly don't want to be "the bad guys", we can't take on everyone right away.

[Meshelic]

I tried handling it humurously yet aggresively. We must make it clear that we will not be mis-quoted, we will not be mis-represented, and we will defend our honor every chance we get. We will not give a potential enemy any dirt or extra footing on us.

But we also won't give anyone an excuse to call everyone to arm's against us.

We must also make it clear that we are honest and stick to the truth (we have the rest of the game to ruin our reputation if we want, but now is not the time) .