Whollata bouncin' going on

[Meshelic]

any clash of military strength between human civs will not be ended quickly unless both civs realise the futiility of war, if both are suffering heavy losses then that opens up our's and their territory to conquest by the other human civ.

Remember! a human civ will NOT forget a rep hit from us as easily as the AI does. So our dealings with the humans should be very carefully plotted, planned and executed.

[notyoueither]

Agreed. If we do not act with honour towards human teams, no team will forget it. And people complained about how the AIs hold grudges. Wait till you see how long the memories of humans are. They do not end when one game is over.

[Arrian]

I agree - honor towards other human teams, no scruples whatsoever vs. the AI.

-Arrian

[zeit]

This honour issue can also work as a diplmoatic weapon- we should keep treating other with honour as long as it pays us, and make it look like they are disrespecting us and agreemenst to hit their rep.

Make it look like the team is preparing for war, or about to break treaty or take advantage of a given situation, in a way that helps us acquire allies and hinders theirs.

[DeepO]

I just had a thought, which would be quite bothersome to the other groups... it's a bit related to the mercenary idea.

Whenever we are fully ready to go to war (preferrably when we're the biggest power), and we see two of our neighbours starting a fight, we could hold an auction on the main page... in full sight. The idea is that once it is our turn, we post a message on the board, saying that we've got two battleplans ready, one for each civ, and we're going to sell our support to he who bids highest. Mulitple bids are possible, within a fixed time limit. In return, we'll stay away from him (or sign a ROP+MPP), attack the others, and generally stay nice for the next 10 or 20 turns or so.

I'm curious what other civs would offer... techs, cities,... and I'm certainly interested if we would see a lot of bidding on our help. Let's say both sides get a fixed time limit of 18 hours, leaving us 6 hours to play the first turn, I'm certainly curious if in those last few minutes the bids go up

DeepO

[alva]

I was actually thinking the same thing, with a slight variation.
Sign an agreement with civ A ,
go to civ B (A & B are at war btw)
Sign another agreement with B,
Wait a couple of turns
attack A (they will have to be wiped out at this point)
then go back after B

[DeepO]

Ah.. but that won't be very honorable, and it means yu have to be able to overpower them completely. My idea was to sell our power for some juicy goods (without at least 1 city and a couple of techs we wouldn't do it), tilting the balance, but in the mean time we get an ally who is happy to see us, and willing to pay even! It sounds like a business plan

DeepO

[alva]

Guess , I'm just not a very honorable person in this game

Although, i don't know any honorable mercenairies either

[DeepO]

well... I don't know any mercenaries, so no honorable either, but in history there have been quite a few of them. As long as payment comes in, you stick to those who have hired you, even if the other side tries to bribe you.

The real issue here is that when you throw yuor services up for grabs, you achieve 2 goals: you kind of vasalize one civ (he who has to pay us to get in our liking), while using the combined forces to bash the other civ. Whatever the outcome, you gain twice, while one civ can gain a little, the other loses badly.

The beauty of it is that if the two warring civs would combine their strengths to fight you they would prolly win, but who is going to do that when they just entered a war? It would be the logical solution from their PoV, but humans are not logical at all

DeepO

[alva]

(he who has to pay us to get in our liking

True, but they would still not like us (not that it matters)

And I still say that once the other is gone, you hit on the other. Then you really have achieved your two goals

It would be the logical solution from their PoV, but humans are not logical at all

We must never forget that

[DeepO]

Originally posted by alva848
And I still say that once the other is gone, you hit on the other. Then you really have achieved your two goals

Sure... but I think the best deals would be those where we solemnly promise to not attack right away after we punished the first civ... e.g. leave at least a 10 turn peace in between attacks. Again, we can use this to our advantage: we sell it like it's the part of the deal that will protect them the most, while in the mean time we use this time to regroup, reinforce, and either attack them once the peace has gone, or take on someone else.

DeepO

[Meshelic]

I really like the idea of selling our loyalties to the highest bidder, especially in FULL VIEW OF EVERYONE. HAHA! Guns for hire....love it. Do you think that they may leave us alone more because of it or gang up on us because of it?

I would feel saddened however if the RolePlay team or some team hires us to destroy Legoland and we DID....but alas that is life, that is war and that is the talking. I feel a slight affection for those guys since they are so cute and fuzzy.

Really good ideas here guys, you make the Diplomacy Schola proud.

[alva]

Really good ideas here guys, you make the Diplomacy Schola proud.

If belgians are good at anything,.....


OT: the worst thing btw, is underestimating both RPG é Lego.
True, they are probably more inclined to more defensive en other teams, but they could shift any balance of power IMHO.

It would make some thread though !!

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Meshelic
I really like the idea of selling our loyalties to the highest bidder, especially in FULL VIEW OF EVERYONE. HAHA! Guns for hire....love it. Do you think that they may leave us alone more because of it or gang up on us because of it?

No way are we going to be looked upon friendly, once they realize that whatever they do they will lose relatively to us, they won't be pleased. I think we can only pull this off once, but if done right once is all we need

And of course the public selling is what is going to make this brilliant, I really hope we will be able to do it. (that is, we are in a position to sell our services, instead of having others to come to our rescue)

As to the schola, I think I'm going to join the diplomatic one, simply because it will be the biggest learning experience for me. Okay, we are Belgians, so it is in our blood, but still...
I'm still hesitating on the other one though.

DeepO

[alva]

Same here, I'm not a economic by heart, but it's not like we running short on generals, are we