Turn 261: 1350AD

[Aeson]

We aren't in a position to be anything but beggers. If GoWND stays one team, we have virtually no chance whatsoever. Even if we were to get lucky and get in a good hit or two, we wouldn't be able to compete with Vox, let alone what remained of GoWND.

GoWND really screwed up so far. GoW should have taken us out almost completely this turn. All they had to do was nuke Elipolis 4 instead of Elipolis, and then not cut themselves off with nukes and bombing runs. They could have taken 5-10 cities along our E coast easily, then used the 3 remaining Tacticals they had left to destroy any tougher targets (Tempest and Arashi with just 1), and everything we would have left (practically nothing) would be within range of being nuked by ND.

Given that type of lack of foresight, if we could get GoWND to turn on one another, even though we would be prohibitively behind, GoW might give us the opportunity we'd need to actually win.

[vmxa1]

I agree they should have made a better plan and done even more damage.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by vmxa1
The more I think about them maybe having a locked alliance, since the start or near start or maybe even as teams were signing up, the less I care about robbing them of their spoils.

I would be fine with just going on the public page and saying that since it was always two civs againt indiviual civs, we concede.

It is one thing to make alliances (announced) from time to time or even stick by your once partner after they got clocked ALA RP or Vox. These arraingments do not hurt anyone as they are out in the open and having to give them your land is not much of a boost.

It is not on par with GoW and ND working in concert through out the game and not declaring themselves.

No. That was RP and Lego. they were the only ones to try to pull that stunt.

At the beginning, nobody knew the Germans, and nobody knew the lay out of the map. I can not see any way that the War Mongers and the Germans could have cooked that up.

What did happen happened in game. GoW and ND cooperated over Lux Invicta, victim 1. They then coordinated over Vox encursions on Bob, victim 2. Then they opennly allied vs RP, victim 3.

By the end of the Spanish war they knew that neither had ever crossed the other. They learned they could trust.

There is no way they cooked this up beforehand, especially since I can personally guarantee they did not know the map and their positions beforehand.

[notyoueither]

Go for it, Aeson.

Nothing to lose at this point.

Knowing MZ, he is most likely expecting it, and knowing he is no fool his moves might have been intended to force our hand without completely eliminating our potential to strike ND.

[Aeson]

I don't know how to get ahold of MZ. His PM box is always full every time I try to contact him, and he's never responded to an email I've sent.

Anyone?

(I would prefer feedback from more of the team before we decide how to proceed though in any case.)

[notyoueither]

Good question. Are any other GoW people still around?

I wouldn't trust HE to relay an order for pizza if it would help us, what about UnO?

[Aeson]

Knowing MZ, he is most likely expecting it, and knowing he is no fool his moves might have been intended to force our hand without completely eliminating our potential to strike ND.

If that's the case, he's my hero. But it still would have been a horrible mistake by GoWND.

[Aeson]

Sorry, my inbox was full, just purged it a bit (2 messages to be precise).

E-mail would be preferred, my addy is raguil AT gmail DOT com

-MZ

That was quick...

[notyoueither]

It really would be the ultimate 'evil plan' that he prides himself on coming up with.

[Aeson]

Maybe we should start with less then. I'll reconfigure the message. In the meantime I'll simply ask if there is any room for negotiation or if it is final.

[notyoueither]

Sounds good. At least we have an email addy.

[notyoueither]

You might note the lack of destruction, and observe that we perceive the preceeding events as an approach, or something.

[notyoueither]

Sent MZ a snarky message about his lizard.

Box was full.

Just received this.

Sorry, my inbox was full. Got it purged a bit now...

[notyoueither]

Sent this:

Unfortunately, my clever message about holding your lizard hostage was lost.

However, Aeson would like to talk to you. Hopefully the channels are now clear.

PS, the lizard says he still hates you.

I think he is expecting us.

[Aeson]

MZ,

GoW claims to be a whore working for the best price. It's not the metaphore we would choose, but we do understand the sentiment. GoWND has a shared "victory" wrapped up, no doubt. Given the public statements and past "not quite whole truths" of public statements by so many teams (ourselves included), GS is interested to know if an offer would be considered by GoW?

Or has ND finally made an honest woman of you after all?

- Aeson