Turn 244: 1270 AD

[DeepO]

Culture flip risks will not be too much of a problem, vmxa. At least at first, we've got to defend what we capture, meaning that there will be a larger garrison than needed. and in case of settler hopping our way, we're not going to keep many cities.

The reason we might need to keep a city, at least at first, is the availability of a barrakcs, and a harbor. The rest doesn't matter much.

DeepO

[Shiber]

If I recall the mechanics of culture flipping well enough, I believe that with moderate garrison, a culture flip can be prevented entirely.
We'll have enough troops in all front cities at all times to nullify the risk of culture flips. The rest we simply cannot keep - with a small garrison (which we cannot commit anyway) we'll still be facing considerably high risks of culture flipping, and if the city flips, we lose that force.

[DeepO]

Shiber, I worked on the culture formula many years ago... from memory, it was this:
chance = ((#foreignCitizens + #foreignTiles + #resistors) * TotalCultureRatio * 2IfHigherForeignCultureInCity * .5IfWLTKD * 2IfDisorder - #garrison)/DistanceFactor

I think that was it, but I'll check once we get so far. The DistanceFactor is somewhere between 500 and 8000, depending on closeness of the capitals.

So what we need to do, is to get the city in WLTKD, deal with all resistors, and get those foreign tiles out of our influence asap. The rest is out of our control right now, our culture is a bit less than Lego, but not much. razing a city, and rebuilding does not guarantee it won't ever flip, btw.

In our case, garrisons will be moderate, or without them chances will be relatively low. But I'll calculate precisely once we get there (although AFAIK nobody truely figured out how the distance factor was calculated)

DeepO

[Krill]

From memory? From, sodding, memory??


Aeson and DeepO

[vmxa1]

Just use a flip calculator, my memory is shot.

[DeepO]

Ah, are there now flip calculators? Cool

DeepO

[Shiber]

I also used to have a corruption calculator, and of course there's the myriad of online battle calculators, and a small number of stack calculators circling around.

[vmxa1]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53157

[DeepO]

Bah... they stole Fitz and my work, without linking it properly That thread referenced in the first page was only one of a series, there was a culture formula thread which had the specifics. Oh, and as far as I can see, they just guess at the distance ratio (now, it is almost impossible to test this)

I didn't read through the whole thread, though, perhaps it's somewhere burried deeper.
Something else: it's quite easy to calculate the numer of garrison troops you need which would give you a chance of 0%. I would have included it if I was the programmer of that tool.

For the moment, still head calculus here. That stack calculator was most useful, this I don't like.

DeepO

[vmxa1]

Sorry I had not tried it. Here is one I have used. I had to rename it to sav.

[alva]

Originally posted by Krill
From memory? From, sodding, memory??


Aeson and DeepO

The original culture thread

They really ought to cap intelligence to prevent me from feeling so utterly stupid.

[DeepO]

Thanks alva. As I expected, a year before the civfanatics one

And don't downplay your own intelligence, as you're wrong. It's just that culture flipping has always had a special meaning for me (I like it!), and formulas are something I'm used to for the past 25 years or so. It comes natural, a lot of the other things don't.

DeepO

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Krill
From memory? From, sodding, memory??

[vmxa1]

I see that Lego mentioned a major artillery battle in the public forum. I wonder who/what they hit.

[alva]

've just posted the battle log of a major military operation planned for this turn in our private forum.

That's the Vondrack quote (I think you are refering to the same one), major can just mean 'their biggest' battle involving 3 units.