Turn 194: 790 AD

[DeepO]

The more I think about this, the more I like the following proposal best:

Elec is worth 490 beakers more then Nat. But, we deliver it at equal price to Vox, and they require to hold to a 30 turn NDA on Electricity, giving us enough possibilities to trade. On Nat, we only get a 20-turn NDA, as a compensation for the beaker difference.

We could even ask for a 15 turn NDA, but don't really need that... fair deal to me, and we more or less prevent Lego from getting it for free from Vox.

DeepO

[vmxa1]

Not bad, but I am not sure Vox even needs to ask us for an NDA for Nat. Theonly one we are going to give it to is RP anyway. They are no threat to anyone. Lowering of the research cost for Nat is not an issue, is it?

[DeepO]

I know... but whether RP gets it now, or in 20 turns doesn't matter either. Except if they would be starting to research communism.

I didn't want to give Vox the idea that we're asking for 2 teams here, as then they would be able to ask double their price...

Has anyone else got some ideas on this, or on different deals? Otherwise I suggest we take care of this before next turn, to prevent them from getting Elec elsewhere.

Also, we need deals on Elec with the other teams:
GoW: exchange for sanitation? Not a good deal for us, we don't need sanitation.
ND: gold? How much? lux? Fast! otherwise they will get it from Lego...

DeepO

[vmxa1]

I would agree we need to try to get something now, its shelf lif is very short.

[DeepO]

The save just passed Vox, and knowing Vondrack, it will arrive here soon.

So, what about VoX? If nobody objects to what I proposed, I'll include Elec unaccepted in the save, and send them an PM right after (I prefer others do that, but never mind). We can't hold off with these negotations any longer.

Also, if nobody minds, I'll send ND Elec unaccepted as well, and ask them what they want to trade for it. Even if they don't accept, we won't be the bad guys, we offered them our tech.

GoW contact: please think about this, and someone please take some action...

DeepO

[Cort Haus]

How about we offer Electricity to GoW as a gift? Or, do we owe it them anyway? They want to to Rep Parts after Sanitation, which will need Electricity - meanwhile we can move through the centre.

[DeepO]

GoW and Elec as gift: fine by me. However, I prefer to give it to them either one turn before they discover sanitation, or once we see Lego has it (whichever comes first).

As to tech path: if we do Indus and corporation, GoW should be able to finish sanitation and RP in the same time (as we are also doing SM, and both techs are the least costly). Then, we can split the efforts, in that they go for Refining, we go for steel, after which we do combustion. For a 2-partner tech race, that will be best...

However, we need to talk to them, or nothing of this will have any effect!

BTW, the new turn has arrived, and I'll start playing it in 5 minutes or so.

DeepO

[DeepO]

Okay, I'm sending a message to Vox, regarding the trade for Elec. Nobody complained, so I'm assuming I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here...

DeepO

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by DeepO
Okay, I'm sending a message to Vox, regarding the trade for Elec. Nobody complained, so I'm assuming I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here...

DeepO

Yep, that's great ... let's see what ND offer us. 10 gold, knowing them.

In fact we can use Sanitation - in Hurricane.

[DeepO]

There are a couple of places where we can use Sanitation: Hurricane, Tempest, WoC, BB, Typhoon, Tornado (but barely), D-ville. First 3 for the wonders built there: 100% extra science or shields work best when done in big cities.

WoC is just barely helped, though: the best it can get is in WLTKD, and it can only get up to size 13 before it has to use coastal tiles. All the rest are purely for commerce, but at the expense of shields (as it won't be in WLTKD).

Vox has already responded, though (see log), they agree on the Nat for Elec trade. Now we need to get something with GoW going as well! And anything we can get out of ND is fine... if they're willing to wait until Lego has it, 10 gold is good enough for me.

DeepO

[Cort Haus]

I expect that GoW will go for our suggestion - the ball is in their court.

It's a shame that Offshore Platforms are so late on the PTW tech tree. They come sooner in C3C, and would level the playing field a bit in our favour.