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  • Turn 183: 690 AD

    Some things for next turn I noticed when looking at last one:

    - we still have 2 reg MI, and another 4 'extra' units for a minimum seawall defence. I'd like to disband them... one of them can shorten the build time of the lib in Typhoon to 1 turn.

    Also, there is one last warrior, but I think CH disbanded that one, and I just see hte situation before it happened.

    - Max Hurricane in commerce. By reshuffling WF it can generate another +6 bpt (from 96 to 102 on 70% science), -2spt. The bank gets delayed by 2 turns, but the 2 plains can get SS from a 3-turn to a 2-turn worker pump.
    Needs a bit of mining to change SS into perfect shape.

    - Tempest will need to grow to max commerce as well, once Newton has been built there. It'll have to wait until we know for certain we have coal, but I think after Arashi and EotS, this city will be the first priority for RR.

    - workers: start gathering towards Arashi. As most has been forted already, we might pinch in a forester crew to get those 10 extra shields to Monsoon, or one of the harbor cities. I'll have to check where there once was forest in that area, as each tile can give the bonus only once.

    - In the WoC area, some reshuffling can lead to a modestly growing D-ville, which needs that mkt badly.

    - by giving the iron to D-ville (from Monsoon), it won't delay the uni build in Monsoon, but can shave of another few turns of the mkt in D-ville, getting from 9 turns to 6

    - BB is called BB 1? strange... will change the name back to its original, if nobody minds

    - in Hurricane, a bank will produce +6gpt (after upkeep), a CH +0gpt(after upkeep) +3bpt (estimate). The CH would be cheaper to build, while the bank that starts after that could be a nice prebuild for a factory, so I propose to go for a CH.

    - we should get some idea on when factories will arrive. Nothing has been said about this, but I guess we half assume it comes from GoW or ND, in exchange for electricity. We can then go for RP, and hope for rubber

    The reason is of course prebuilds and RRing: banks are good prebuilds, as will all the obsolete wonders be. And the faster we got those factories running, the better...

    - In case GoW doesn't give Medicine to Lego, they are at least 17 turns from completing ToE from this turn on wards. Timing of Medicine is critical if we want to beat that deadline with at least one turn. We MUST have it in 11 turns, but to be comfortable we need it in less than 10 turns from now. So please ask GoW for 8-9 at most. If they cross us, we can kiss ToE goodbye

    The good news is Arashi can get there for certain, even without coal. It will be very narrow, though, it wil use its last food in the foodbox, but will get there in 16 turns. Coal is a lot safer, of course. Otherwise the first mistake delays it by 1 turn.

    - CH, probably not my last question, but which address do I send the completed save to?

    DeepO

  • #2
    Oh, BTW... first mistake in my new position... messing up the dates on the turnthread

    It should be 680 AD.

    DeepO

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    • #3


      I'm in favor of your ideas. Definitely toast those two regular med infs.

      As for factories... we might want to check on the tech trading situation. All of a sudden the GoW/ND/GS cooperation seems to have fallen apart.

      IIRC from the chat, it was supposed to go something like this:

      GS - Steam, Electricity
      GoW - Medicine, Industrialization
      ND - Nationalization, something (?)

      And we all trade. But now I'm not so sure.

      -Arrian
      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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      • #4
        Bravo, what a crew. Yes we are counting on Medicine from GoW, but who knows how they will react.
        It would be easy for them to pay us lip service and drag their feet.
        Giving us Medicine a bit late and hurting the plan, while declaring all the time they were are friends.

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        • #5
          I agree... we will likely have to persuade them a bit, and do not assume much cooperation. If necessary, I'd even give more to GoW if they deliver on their promise.

          Say we promise them this:
          - They will give medicine the moment they research it, which has to be within 9 turns from turn 183 (so in 192 we must have gotten an accepted deal from them).
          - They promise to not trade that tech to Lego any sooner then 14 turns from now. (so Lego's turn 197) (Maybe best to ask for 15)
          - Further, if we don't have coal and they have more then one source, they give us 20 turn coal instantly.

          in return, we give them
          - steam, either when swapping for medicine, or immediately if we don't have coal ourselves.
          - electricity the moment we notice Lego has researched it, to ensure we don't give them any more advantage then needed. We'll wait until completely ending the contract, so after turn 193 at the earliest (or in case we have reason to believe they researched Medicine themselves).

          I guess it gives us enough guarantees, as part of the payment comes after the contract. It's not too expensive for us either, we might need to keep possible to renegotiate if we have to.

          It may be necessary to sell this to GoW. If they don't realize their importance, they might cross us. Short term, they probably don't want to give us Hoover, as they know that will be the result of their help.

          However, they can't possibly do it themselves, not even with ND helping them. They won't beat us, nor will they beat Lego. And if they don't trade with us, there is a high chance Lego will get it (no certainty, Vox could get Nat as their free tech, in which case we have 21 turns from now).

          So the choice is GoW's: either they help us, or they help Lego. A choice between two evils from their side

          DeepO

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          • #6
            I agree

            we need a chat with GoW. They must understand taht the targe upon marines is lego, not us. Attacking us will do them no good long term. Lego first then us, they have to know that. Anything that advantages lego is bad bad bad.

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            • #7
              Sleepy, do you care to set up a chat? There was some PM from GoW on chatting earlier, I don't know if anyone responded to that...

              DeepO

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              • #8
                I'll try to set something up.

                what times are good for you? If you care to attend.

                Unfortunately I'm not in a stable situation, really, and am unsure when I will be home during the daytime...

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                • #9
                  I think it comes down to them deciding that it is better inour hands than in Lego or even ND.

                  If they are on the ball they should realize we cannot be doing anything militarily at this time.

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                  • #10
                    Sleepy, I'd like to attend, however I don't see it happening easily. If you try something like 11 pm GMT, or 12 pm GMT I should be able to join you, while it isn't during the day for you. Otherwise, I would just go ahead, or ask someone else to accompagny you...

                    vmxa1, that's exactly the point. GoW can't build it themselves, ND can't build it as both of them lack the research capacity. They can decide who to give it to: either actively helping us, or staying passive and let Lego have it. But Lego is a major risk for them... and with Hoover and 2 extra techs, they have won the game without much doubt. We have to tell GoW that, to make sure they understand it fully.

                    DeepO

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                    • #11
                      BTW does anyone know what ND are celebrating, or is Zayxus just copying CH's dancing smilies in his post?

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                      • #12
                        Eep. Could they have finished Newton?

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arrian
                          Eep. Could they have finished Newton?

                          -Arrian
                          we are the only team that has ToG, though perhaps lego will gain it this turn.

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                          • #14
                            Is it possible for ND to get ToG on their turn, change a build and complete Newton's? Or (as my memory suggests) does the acquiring of new tech (through trade, research or stealing) come after the building phase is completed? What other wonders might they have built? Sistine? FP? Just captured all of GoW's cities in a surprise strike?

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                            • #15
                              I think it goes:

                              diplo
                              tech
                              build

                              I think they were just screwing around. If GoW had been attacked, we would know about it by now.

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