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  • #16
    Aeson, do you mean you want to sign a NAP with RP? that would mean they gang up on ND... but would keep us from invading for another 20 turns. Probably I'm misinterpreting here?

    DeepO

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    • #17
      No NAP with RP. NAPs with GoW and probably ND. I don't think GoW is too worried about whether their 'friend' does well, as long as we won't be attacking GoW. Right now it sounds like the only thing keeping GoW from attacking someone is the threat of us backing whoever they target.

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      • #18
        Ah, excellent, discussion

        Why a 2v2? Wouldn't a 3v1 be more certain and less costly?
        Good question, NYE, but I don't see how the 3 would divide the spoils of the beaten 1. GoW+ND+GS vs. RP? Who gets what? Especially from GoW's perspective, I don't see how it's worth it. Further, I want GoW's Riders to have more opposition.

        If GoW likes the idea, fine. If they don't, and someone from GoW lets it slip to ND and/or RP, we could find ourselves in a huge diplomatic mess and maybe on the wrong end of a 3-vs.-1 war. I'm far from convinced that we have the diplomatic finesse to feel GoW out on the idea without their getting an idea of what we have in mind.
        That's my only real fear, Nathan. But my reading of the communications between GoW and GS leads me to believe they would be interested. We could start off by signing a limited NAP with them and assuring them that, so long as they don't directly hamper any efforts we might make, we will provide them with iron. And then we hope they hit ND. If they do, we hit RP.

        Let's get our troops in position for amphibious assault!

        NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION (to be wasted by war chickens)!

        -Arrian
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Arrian
          Let's get our troops in position for amphibious assault!
          Whatever our final decision would be, this is a good idea.
          "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
          And the truth isn't what you want to see,
          Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
          - Phantom of the Opera

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          • #20
            We need to wipe out the Spaniards before they get their fearsome UU!

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            • #21
              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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              • #22
                Thanks for bringing up this plan Arrian!!

                I've been thinking about this a lot lately... what will happen next in terms of warfare and alliances.

                I think, for once, some SP thinking might be in order. What do we tell newer players who complain that they were humbly minding there own business, maybe had an MPP or entered some manageable war, and all of a sudden the AI civs dogpiled on them? (if a had a friggin' penny for how many times I've seen that!! )

                We tell'em: If you don't partner with the other AI civs, someone else damn well will.

                Anybody wondering who and how many of the other teams are plotting alliances to take us out?

                I say we go for it, and make at least one of the Bobians a true partner. So that answers question #1 (for me, at least).

                Question number two, of course, is who?
                The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                • #23
                  There's not much of a choice. ND excludes itself, they won't agree to a potential two front war. GoW is the obvious option, and RP... well, that would be a pact with the devil.

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                  • #24
                    Wouldn't a pact with the devil be more easily dissolved?

                    (I'm just playing devil's advocate )
                    The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                    Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                    • #25


                      Seriously, though. GoW is the natural partner (to the extent that there IS a natural partner for us). Geographically, it pretty much has to be either GoW or RP. But given relations with RP, I just don't see how we could work out a partnership of this magnitude with them. Togas would almost assuredly backstab us if we even hinted we were looking to divvy up Bob.

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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