Turn 120, 170 BC

[Shiber]

Spices for our furs from ND, accepting...

[Shiber]

Ok, GoW's offer just came up.
Wines and Chivalry for our... furs and 200 gold, right?
Once we're through the diplomatic stage, I'm also going to send GoW an unaccepted World Map, which they're supposed to respond to with their world map.

[nbarclay]

Unless GoW accepted our offer (trusting on faith that we'll give them the gold), we need to accept their offer, counter with furs plus 200 gold, and have GoW accept our offer before the current deal will be complete. And we need to finish this deal before we can start on the map deal.

[Shiber]

Nathan: got it.

We got an accepted offer for silks and gems from RP. On our side of the bargain are: (I'm not making this up, I'm reading out what I see) furs, incense, furs, incense.
What are we supposed to do? Surely, this is some weird bug... but I don't suppose it'll have any effects, and if I try to remove one of the duplicates, the deal becomes unaccepted on RP's side, which means that we can't get the luxuries this turn, which means that we can't reduce the lux slider to 10% this turn, which means that we'll lose some money (a little over 20 gold) if we don't accept RP's deal as is (with the duplicates).

[vulture]

Is it even possible to add two of each luxury in deliberately? I've never tried, but I assume it has to be some new bug. Could someone paranoid with access to civ3 (i.e. not me until next Tuesday) check out whether RP could do that deliberately to try and get extra trade items?

Aren't we one turn from the Colossus now?

[vulture]

Should we mention to Lux that our WM is now going to include GoW's exploration of Lego's coast (depending on when deals get concluded), or was that already part of the proposal.

Trade summary thread updated.

[nbarclay]

We should be two turns from the Colossus if I recall correctly.

The mechanics of MP Civ do not provide any controls that RP could have used to set up the duplicates. It has to be a bug. My thought is for us to go ahead and accept, and then check out our trade status once we're in the main part of the turn. If our trade advisor shows us trading away two of each to RP instead of one, we can restart the turn and not accept the offer.

[Shiber]

Two turns from the Colossus (ooh, the excitement!! ).
I remember seeing this once in SP Vanilla Civ 1.21. I just accepted and I only gave out one source of each lux.

[Shiber]

I checked, and it's alright. We're giving just one of each luxury to RP.
We can lower the lux slider to 10%, or we can lower it to 0% once we have a temple in Hurricane (5 turns to build, but I suggest that we rush it because it'll let us reduce to 0% several turns earlier, and we save about ~25 gold for every turn that we switch to 0% earlier).
Nathan, you should send GoW our WM when you play the turn.

[FrustratedPoet]

I checked, and it's alright. We're giving just one of each luxury to RP.

That's good. It must just be a display bug.

[nbarclay]

We still need a final decision about whether our fishermen are upset enough about having a foreign galley fish our waters instead of their own to stage a protest and block their progress.

[OPD]

am in irc hoping bigfree will turn up.

I was thinking we could offer them WM this turn to start the ball rolling with regard to map trade.

[Arrian]

I say we block them.

-Arrian

[OPD]

yeah but what happens if we do block them.
do we really think they're just going to turn back and go home.

if we block them and they just sit tight this could escalate into a cold war.

[OPD]

am talking to BF now in irc #PTWTalks (sandwich- password)