Chat with RP

[alva]

then they can shove something where the sun don't shine.

Maybe we can provide them with that map .

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by alva

then they can shove something where the sun don't shine.

Maybe we can provide them with that map .

Hmmm. Having read the log now, I guess giving them that map may not be necessary. Hehe though.

It seems they are accepting the fact that the map will not be forthcoming. This is good.

[Aeson]

Given what Vox has seen of our empire, and what can be seen from the coasts... what are we hiding our maps for now exactly?

By my count, this is what we hide by not trading our maps: (assuming someone scouts out our coasts)

H7, H77 (plains tiles)
BB9, BB6 (plains, horses)
C, C7, C9, C3, C2, C32, C22 (game, grasslands, Cyclone itself)

Everything else will be visable given Vox's map. If a team wants to investigate the proper cities, they can see all but Cyclone (and that is the only tile that would be blacked out...so they'd know it's there anyways). I think we should trade our map at this point, while it still holds any value. RP seems interested in our coastline, and GoW probably is as well. There isn't anything interesting there that can't be spotted by a Galley to be honest.

[zeit]

I also don't think we should hold back RP from scouting that much. It was Togas' reply of "no big deal" that needed further attention, and a chance to create understanding.

I didn't mind them scouting, but they didn't know the situation as we know- and Togas showed complete lack of understanding to what quite possibly is a problem for us, after our discussion, I tend to believe this has changed somewhat.

[alva]

The good think of selling it now, is that the moment we use our GL galley to scout for other new possible land, no one will know about it.

[DeepO]

I agree on selling our map: we did good to keep it from everyone up until now, but if we want to get anything useful out of it, we should do it now, start exploring, and sell the map in a some 20 turns once our sea going galleys are still providing us with more exploration then they can do on their own.

What I'd like in return?
- WM from GoW, maybe suplemented with some gold
- WM + luxury or gold from RP. Possibly tech (but they're not researching, it seems)
- part of tech from Lego. Luxury will come anyway, as we have a monopoly on 2 of them. WM would be better, but they won't sell (unless we need it for a lux trade)
- WM + tech/lux/gold from ND

Now, how much would we value our WM? 50 gold? seems not too much, and an extra 250 gold would be nice to receive. But, we need to make absolutely sure that we can sell our maps to everyone, instead of them spreading the new information around...

DeepO