GoW- Diplomacy comments #2

[DeepO]

GoW must have investigated those 2 cities beforehand, we can't see so much of Legoland. Maybe a good idea to exchange maps!

(well, next turn, we should do it anyway once we investigated a bit more)

DeepO

[DeepO]

And something I don't really grasp: if Jackson was so lightly defended, why not attack it? It would only take a couple of marines. Add the 2 settlers, and they could have attacked Legopolis with settlerhopping (although I still don't want to tell to them what exactly we're planning, so let's not mention it to them)

DeepO

[vmxa1]

Maybe they do not trust the info they got? Plus they may need many many marines, if the city has a bunch of low level units in it.

They only know that the top unit was at 2 hp and was still rated a better defender. Four HP calvs or some other units could be sitting there.

[DeepO]

There are a couple of strange things here. The 2/4 inf is something that is bothering me. Okay, let's say there are 20 cavs present, why only one inf? If Lego counted, they must have known that in principle, Jackons could be under attack from GoW last turn. Unless, of course, they've got a sub tailing the GoW stack, and it was out of reach (not so unlikely).

It could be a sign that while Lego spotted our S stack last turn, they didn't know where our N stack was, and were protecting most of their coast with infs. But even then, there aren't that many spots which we could have attacked.

Something else which is a bit fishy: how does GoW know that there are 2 BBs in Jackson? The might have been there a couple of turns ago, but why say they are there know? Have they guarded all outgoing routes, and haven't seen them leave? It's possible, but the pic doesn't suggest that.

And a last point: they don't really have a fork on Dye fields and Jackson. Sure, marines can attack both cities, but the position they are currently in makes it only possible to unload troops in Dye fields with movement remaining. Not in Jackson... transports can't enter the city. I would have left a couple of transports, even if they were only empty, within reach of Jackson to leave a chaining threat. Lego will suspect that Dye fields is the target.

DeepO

[vmxa1]

If ND investigated the city and it shows 2 BB's and GoW is bombing with 11 bombers and maybe a recon with the one fighter, they would likely spot any ships that moved out.

As bombers pass over, I often see ships in the periphery.

[DeepO]

Perhaps that's the explanation, yes. They would only have to scout the area to the East of Dye fields to spot all escape routes... but in that case, ND must have investigated last turn, not 2 turns ago.

DeepO

[DeepO]

Fact remains that the GoW stack should have been 7 from where they are now to make a convincable fork. Not being spotted near the borders is a small gain for giving away your invasion plans.

DeepO

[Aeson]

ND investigated for them, so that's probably how they saw the BB. They should have known exactly what was in Jackson in that case. Where was their fleet last turn? If it was 88888 of where it is now, they couldn't have reached Jackson.

Otherwise, perhaps GoW just doesn't want to land first. They'd take the brunt of Lego's Tanks and they wouldn't know if we were really in on it or not.

[Krill]

Ok, I just want to ask this now: what if GoW has left enough TR to chain all of their units back to their homeland, switch them to our coast, load to new transports, and then invade us? It would garrentee them the perfect oppurtunity no matter what any team did. If we invade Lego, and take their FP, then they don't have to do anything else to harm lego, since Lego will effectively be out of the space race immediately. They could chain all of their units back over to us, and hit us, taking us out of the game as well. The game would belong to either GoW or ND.

It's what I would do. Not easy to pull off or Conceal, but the new patch of GoW cities (the southern lot) could contain TR, correct? And arn't they within reach of RP? And Are the RP cities completely empty?.


Just a rather pessimistic PoV Not likely, but still possible

[Aeson]

I don't think it's worthwhile.

Done on their own, GoW would be at war with Lego and GS, GS and Lego at war with each other, and ND would win hands down. GoW wouldn't know that we wouldn't join up with Lego or that ND wouldn't backstab.

If GoW was in on it with Lego and/or ND, then why have helped us get to MI, Marines, Bombers, Tanks, and given us Rubber? It would be going to a lot of trouble just to make things tougher on themselves. Why not a GAUGS with Lego or ND instead? We'd still have Riflemen as our best defenders if they just wanted to take us out I think.

[vmxa1]

Yes and we long ago concluded that we only have one option and we cannot do much about a gang up.

We have to proceed on the basis that they are at least not coming for us right now. That they don't want to be first is understandable, even if they are on our side.

Also they have ND to sweat, although they have been acting properly with each other all along.

[DeepO]

ND is the problem, not GoW. They're very cosy with GoW... how else would they know we were offering computers to GoW, only hours after we send the PM?

As to elaborate backstabs, chainers, and extra transports: could all be there... but it would be a lot easier to doctor the screenshots, and send those to us. Let's assume they're not doing it, even if they are of course trying to let us pay for the war, and have the benefits for themselves. But we try the same thing.

Now back to my visitors

DeepO

[Cort Haus]

Short message sent to GoW, testing the water on 3-turn payment terms for Computers. Didn't mention the timing yet - that can be introduced later. Perhaps they don't want us upgrading all our Infs for the same reason as DeepO mentioned from our pov, and that's why they don't want to pay all up front. Also, they might want to crack ahead to see where the green goo is - it could be relevant to their plans for Lego.

[Theseus]

We need screen shots from them... preferably RIGHT NOW!!

[Cort Haus]

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