Departement for foreign affairs of Neu Demogyptica is opened

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Krill
From an outsiders perspectve, (I joined GS after the Bobian war), Compaaring Estonia to Our Heartland is like comparing Stormia as a whole to Bob. We just had tons more resources than you did.

Personally, I am amazed that you never tried to colonize The Luxian lands (r rather, never tried t take them by force). With all of those (potential) immortals (and i'm not talking about their lifespan ) that you hade, yo could easily have colonized as far as Yellowknife. All yu needed were about 4 galleys and a few horsies...

They did

But GoW forced them out via some mega-bluffs (our puny 8-10 horsies back then would have been no match for their dozens of immortals) and a deal in exchange for... nah, I'm not disclosing this yet

But just fyi, Port Isolation was originally founded by Vox.

[Beta]

Originally posted by Krill
From an outsiders perspectve, (I joined GS after the Bobian war), Compaaring Estonia to Our Heartland is like comparing Stormia as a whole to Bob. We just had tons more resources than you did.

Personally, I am amazed that you never tried to colonize The Luxian lands (r rather, never tried t take them by force). With all of those (potential) immortals (and i'm not talking about their lifespan ) that you hade, yo could easily have colonized as far as Yellowknife. All yu needed were about 4 galleys and a few horsies...

In retrospect, I agree with you Krill. We did try a foray over there earlier, and we gave up with out giving it a real effort. We behaved like a bunch of nervous nellies, and should have stuck with it. I think a diplomatic effort with GS at that point of the game may have gotten them on-side as well. I recall NYE or Nathan or someone mentioning that it would have been open to discussion (this during the aftermath of the Vox-GS war).

That would have avoided putting bothe GS and Vox behind the 8-ball early - and who knows where it would have gone. Roleplay, despite their posturing, may have broken from the alliance. And maybe even Lego would have seen the benefit to getting involved in a continental struggle - on the continent.

As it is - well, it is now history. The Immortals went down in flames in an intersting but ill-advised war, and Vox becane a third-rate (actually 6th rate) power.

[Krill]

I understand that. I've read the entire GS forum and public archive.

What I was trying to say is that it would havae been smarter to attack both you and ND instead of GS. Especially wth how your start was played out...

[Krill]

Oh, Beta, I think yor fourth rate now...

[ZargonX]

Oh, Beta, I think yor fourth rate now...

Hey, until I disbanded it all last turn, Lego still had a military larger than Vox and RP

[Krill]

True...

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Beta
I think a diplomatic effort with GS at that point of the game may have gotten them on-side as well. I recall NYE or Nathan or someone mentioning that it would have been open to discussion (this during the aftermath of the Vox-GS war).

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Nearly true. It was not just possible, and we were not just open for discussion, but we actually asked you to partner with us right after the initial 'invasion' of Bob. We were already seeing grand schemes of immortals and WCs working together when all of a sudden Grog was murdered. That kind of stopped the diplomatic efforts

DeepO

[DeepO]

Originally posted by ZargonX
Hey, until I disbanded it all last turn, Lego still had a military larger than Vox and RP

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Military power isn't everything, I'm afraid. Quality of land, economy and production capabilities are more important. Otherwise Vox would never have lost the war against us, they were twice as strong (or even more) than us when it started!

Which is why I believe (and I mean this, no posturing) that we're #3. And we were #4 when we attacked you, even if we had the biggest military in the world, and were 1 or 2 techs in front at a certain point.

DeepO

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Krill
What I was trying to say is that it would havae been smarter to attack both you and ND instead of GS. Especially wth how your start was played out...

Actually, the way I remember it, there was an unofficial pact between GoW, ND and RP that no other teams were to have any cities on Bob. I think we called it B.O.B, the Brotherhood of Bob, and (at least GoW) told Vox that if they didn't get off of Bob, they were going to have a 3 to 1 war on their hands that they couldn't win.

[DeepO]

Yeah, and we told Vox that they shouldn't be such chickens, as immortals and WCs combined can win against 3 teams, one of which is over 15 turns away behind a thick jungle layer...

DeepO

[DeepO]

and if we didn't tell it to Vox, we certainly told it in our forum

The result is of course that Vox gathered its courage, and attacked us. Diplomacy was never our strong suit.

DeepO

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by DeepO
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Military power isn't everything, I'm afraid. Quality of land, economy and production capabilities are more important. Otherwise Vox would never have lost the war against us, they were twice as strong (or even more) than us when it started!

That...and a bit of teamwide vacillation. I joined Vox right after the GS war, but I read some of the back history threads. There was just a bit too much fear, I guess, of the reputation of the "strat forum" team. If the hesitation hadn't been there, the world might have been a different place, but who knows...

[Krill]

Actually, Donegeal, The point is that we don't know if that alliance would have held together...I remember several posts suggesting that RP would never honour any promises to show up and fight.

Originally posted by MZ
(our puny 8-10 horsies back then would have been no match for their dozens of immortals)

That is one point. While Vox had more units, yours were faster. I would also like to know what NDs unit count was at that point (I'd like to know it now as well, but... *sigh*).

Your would also have to look at the supply lines, and that you would compromise your build up for the war against RP, as your units would be out of place.

There is just too much to consider, but you cannot deny that there was a fair chance that Vox could have won the war...

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Krill
There is just too much to consider, but yoou cannot deny that there was a fair chance that Vox could have won the war...

You mean that we were the only ones who thought there was a chance we could win. Everybody thought we were going to get severely damaged at least, possibly even annihilated.

DeepO

[Krill]

There is just too much to consider, but yoou cannot deny that there was a fair chance that Vox could have won the war...

Let me clarify that (if this keyboard will work...). I meant that Vox could have won a war in Northern Bob (ie Operation MacArthur)