A balad for GS

[Darekill]

@ Sir Ralph
No, you don't sound harsh to me. You say what you mean and say it in clear words. Like I said I can handle that. No problem.

Concerning the PTWGII, you are right I'm not so present there but that has it's reasons. I'm too active in some other DG's and can't be everywhere and from what I've seen I'm one of few members that deliver some input at least sometimes....

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I can fully understand Sir Ralph's position. The SP Demogame was all about making the most perfect decisions possible, but the PTWDG has smaller teams and has become more about minimizing losses due to miscommunication and mistakes.

I know GoW has had quite a few of those, and its a whole different game when you are trying to recordinate miscommunicated battle and infrastructure plans and the what not.

[Harovan]

The mentioning of the second game wasn't meant to criticize you, it was just to demonstrate that I'm also actively involved in a demogame. By the way, I'm actually not that upset that I'm pretty much alone there (except rare comments from 3-4 others), this way I can meet decisions without having to poll and discuss.

[Beta]

Sounds like what we need is a Vox Public Announcement, or better yet, another poetry contest.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
These are mudslinging how exactly?

How exactly is anything Darekill wrote mudslinging or any worse form of grandstanding? Please, explain it to me. Or is it that GS is just exempt from such things?

And when exactly called anyone your Trappings a mudslinging campaign? I for my part didn't even read them, let alone say a single word of comment.

Im frankly glad you don't see fit to read them. That eliminates one person that could have been the one to report them to the mods. They don't call them that where anyone can see, they prefer to report them or to PM me.

Look at it this way GS aren't a team of whiners or fun nazis that want everyone to be miserable or to suck all the fun from the game, you know us well enough to know this isn't the case.

Then why do you think that members of GS get annoyed with these things in the public forum?

I have nothing but respect for the MEMBERS of GS.

Collectively, i have a distaste for the team that goes beyond measure, however.

Imagine a young Irish child who goes to school one day. He plays a game of marbles agianst 3 English children. In the game the 3 English kids gang up on him and beat him. Then they start poking fun at him saying they are better than him etc etc. He has a pretty big go back at them but is generally upset, as everyone else ganged up on him.
Later he tells the teacher. Is he right too?
The other kids will obviously say that he was mean to them back. Perhaps even suggesting the Irish kids "cries them a river". The 3 children will find it hard to understand why the other child got so upset and perhaps accuse him of whining. Whereas the Irish kid cannot understand why the other 3 behaved the way they did.

You conveniently forgot to mention how the English kids first asked him to join in as an equal and he refused. Still, at what time have we started poking fun? HOW exactly was that poking fun? Please explain it to me.

You want a reference? Take Roleplay. They have endured FAR more than you EVER have both in game and in the forum. They have given as well as they have received, and despite likely holding some well deserved grudges are not out posting and b*tching every time someone dares to make a CREATIVE post about their team or game events surrounding their team.

And that is the heart of my problem. Leave the creative submissions alone for the love of god!

This is not the first time at Poly I have seen such a thing, but it is the last time I am going to sit and remain quiet about it. Darekill was trying to add to the Poly community and you guys came in and quickly berrated him. This may be the only forum I am active in of late, but I will not stand idly by and watch such childish behavior.

Go ahead, go tell the teacher, but don't expect me to not at least attempt to meet you after school.

I want GS removed from this game. Period. Not for anything quantifiable or In-Game, but to return some fun to this forum. Nothing against the individuals, but the TEAM. I know I am not alone whether those others choose to speak up or not is their own decision.

I honestly feel GS is the heart of the matter in sucking this game dry of fun by the constant line of complaints on fun or creative posts and mourning of lost members, and I want it to stop. This requires a removal of the team. If I had my way, I'ld gift all their land to Vox as well if only so that Beta would be a world leader again and start making funny posts once more, even if they are at the expense of my own team, I would at least be entertained.

GS, you want me to be silent? Kill my unit and I will. Sir UnOrthOdOx is somewhere near the Alamo.

Bring it. I'll be there.

Sir UnOrthOdOx: Rider 4.3.3 - 3 War chickens killed, no retreats to date.

Aggie, I formally request that my search for MrWIA be put on hold and I be used to remove this GS atrocity from off of Bob, and god willing the game.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
How exactly is anything Darekill wrote mudslinging or any worse form of grandstanding? Please, explain it to me. Or is it that GS is just exempt from such things?

Where, pray tell, did I say this?

[UnOrthOdOx]

That is what started the thing here, but.

Let me rephrase.

How is what Darekill wrote any different from those?

[vulture]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx

I have nothing but respect for the MEMBERS of GS.

Collectively, i have a distaste for the team that goes beyond measure, however.

That's a shame, at least from my POV.

Aggie, I formally request that my search for MrWIA be put on hold and I be used to remove this GS atrocity from off of Bob, and god willing the game.

If you look carefully, you'll find all the GS leadership in the Lego capital. Just wander over there and sack the town, and you'll eliminate us no problem.

Many thanks to Vondrack for his excellent beer and hospitality

[Harovan]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
That is what started the thing here, but.

Let me rephrase.

How is what Darekill wrote any different from those?

You can't quote me, because I didn't say this. Next time inform yourself better before you launch an attack.

I already said, I hold no grudge against him. I find his poem superfluous and in terms poetry awfully bad, but I don't deem it mudslinging. Neither do I deem funny stories mudslinging.

What I do call mudslinging is what started with "Vox public announcements", where we with blatant lies were blamed to have not honored treaties and agreements while the opposite was true. This behavior has nothing to do with informing non-players what's going on. It is just putting down a team, nothing else. Beta apologized later for it, kudos to him and neither I nor anyone else in our team (I'm sure) still holds any grudge against him.

What concerns the attacks from your team later, when you broke our NAP again blaming it on us, they made me just ignore the lions share of your team. Not by adding you to my ignore list of course, but just by not responding to the bull. Works just fine.

[UnOrthOdOx]

You can't quote me, because I didn't say this.

You want to play the QUOTE game huh?

OK.

Go back and read my post. Did I call them mudslinging?

No. I just said GS has participated in the same as what happened in this thread. Pot, meet Kettle. Perhaps YOU should check and inform yourself as well.

What concerns the attacks from your team later, when you broke our NAP again blaming it on us

dead horse time, huh?

I informed your team after Bilbao that any further 'gifting' would be seen as an act of aggression, then you are surprised that when you accept another city we consider it breaking the NAP. Fine whatever.

Yes, we TECHNICALLY broke the NAP IN GAME by being the first to act aggressively. So, if we were an AI, we would have broken it. However, it should have been no surprise, and you acting like it was is laughable.

Hell, you sent a letter to ND saying you were going to save RP. That may as well been a declaration of war on us, having committed to removing them. DUH!!! Maybe we would see that as breaking the NAP? Nah....we're an AI, we only see what happens IN GAME, right?

It is only with the recent change in GS leadership that I have felt you guys have seen us as anything other than an AI, though. on them changing my opinion in that reguard.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
That eliminates one person that could have been the one to report them to the mods. They don't call them that where anyone can see, they prefer to report them or to PM me.

That's pretty gross , I didn't know this. Explains a part of your rage, but how do you know that it is to blame on our team? Prejudice? Or are you reading the cards?

[UnOrthOdOx]

While I don't KNOW, there was a reference to a private agreement made between myself and GS in the complaint.

Either a GS member complained or GS is sharing my PMs around. I don't care for either.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Go back and read my post. Did I call them mudslinging?
No. I just said GS has participated in the same as what happened in this thread. Pot, meet Kettle. Perhaps YOU should check and inform yourself as well.

Replying to a blame of mudslinging with the words "You have participated in it as well" should settle this.

dead horse time, huh?

Gosh, I don't care that you broke the NAP, so no need to explain it. We expected it, as a matter of fact. I'm just upset that it was, again, blamed on us.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


Replying to a blame of mudslinging with the words "You have participated in it as well" should settle this.

Um...I was replying to THIS:

yes yes, perhaps I was too vague
in this thread ND ask why the save is delayed from GS.

In this thread is the reason.

GS has participated in exactly the type of stuff found in this thread.

Gosh, I don't care that you broke the NAP, so no need to explain it. We expected it, as a matter of fact. I'm just upset that it was, again, blamed on us.

Again, GS treating us like an AI.

It's only the act of violence that breaks the NAP in your eyes. Not the threatening accepting of 'gifts'. Landing of troops without permission, or writing a declaration of war. All of those are perfectly fine and not breaking the NAP, right?

Give me a break. You guys are as much at fault as us. If you can't see that, we will just have to disagree.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Again, GS treating us like an AI.

Insults, insults...

It's only the act of violence that breaks the NAP in your eyes. Not the threatening accepting of 'gifts'. Landing of troops without permission, or writing a declaration of war. All of those are perfectly fine and not breaking the NAP, right?

We landed troops with the permission of the owner of the land, the RP team. And accepting gifts is threatening, huh?

Again, I don't care as much as for a dead fly on the wall.