Lets get this clear.

[James]

I post here now due to posts made about this issue in last 24 hours over in the Civ 4 General Forum.

Lets clarify some points.

Originally posted by Beta
Ming has confirmed that Planet, a member of Babylon from early in the game, was a DL for another member of Apolyton, James the Scot, who is also a member of the BOH team in this game. Planet no longer exists, and Ming has dealt with James.

Planet and I were seperate logon's by two seperate people. We are friends. We as friends have shared time in the Army, time in sport, time at University. We even play computer games. Sometimes we are on the same sides. Some times we are bitter enemies, as is the way of games.

Originally posted by Beta
This is serious violation of Apolyton rules, to say nothing of the accepted code of conduct in mult-player demo games, hence Ming's actions. We all need to work towards making sure this does not happen again.

When Planet joined I was not a member. Later after hearing more and more of certain demo games from planet, Paddy and others, I decided to get on in and join up. (Paddy is my cousin and friend, please be aware of that.)

We had no idea that we were not allowed to be in one demo game yet on seperate sides. I still do not remember reading or even seeing a thread or post saying that these are the rules of joining the team demo game. So this code of conduct that you talk of is good to hear about, but was not a document I was asked to sign by the game administrators.

What was the biggest crime we commited? We were on seperate sides while playing a team demo game while logged onto the same network. This network is owned and operated by Paddy, and has many users. Some are even members of Apolyton.

Originally posted by Beta
As a member of Apolyton, I am really, really disappointed and saddened by this. As the Leader of Babylon, I am more than a bit miffed. From my perspective, it does throw into question much of the game to-date. To that end, Paddy and I and members of our teams met this evening to discuss the matter and how we might move on from here. My team will be having a private discussion shortly.

Not sure what you are so miffed of at this point. To this day Planet still hardly talks of you or your forum.

Originally posted by Beta
The one thing I insist on, as does Ming, is that we do not turn this into a lynch mob. The violator has been dealt with. However, we do have the future health and well-being of MP demo games to consider at this point. To be honest, my trust has been shaken, and I suspect that will not be an uncommon reaction. How we restore that trust, and move past this, rests both with BOH and the rest of us.

Yes, Planet was permanently banned from this site. I was banned for some time, and had certain restrictions placed upon me.

Originally posted by Beta
I believe Paddy would like to post next - so please refrain posting until Paddy does. Thank you.

And to reiterate, please keep this calm and civil. Tensions have been high at times in this game, and this could be used as a flash-point, Don't. Ming is watching.

Here Beta you ask for calm. Yet so long after you are the one posting about this issue.


Can we move on?

[Addled Platypus]

I had believed we were well on the way of recovery

I am a firm believer we still are

[Beta]

Hi James. Just saw your post here, and I for one would like to discuss it further, as I don't think the air was ever truly cleared.

As to bringing it up in the Civ4 forum - I fully admit that was wrong of me to do. I apologized publicly, and privately to a few folks as well as the administration. It is still a touchy subject for me - that is clear. As I said in the civ4 forum, it was a contributing factor to me leaving Poly for awhile, along with a number of RL matters.

But if we are to discuss it here - we need to do so in a civil and open-minded fashion if there is to be any benefit. To simply start another flame war will not get us anywhere, other than a few days cooling off period.

So, if you are up for it, I am as well.

[E_T]

I for one am wondering why this was even posted in the first place, as it has also been stated that it is now in the past and we all need to go on with it and let it go.

It's happened, the perp(s) have been punished and that game died because of it.

Yeah, Beta go a bit too much wine in himself (he told us in private and In public, too IIRC) and has made his full apology to everyone.

The only thing that we can all do is just let it go and move forward.

Please let us not take this past insident into the newer games or across the whole of the Civ Community. Let it go (everyone on both sides of the issue) and let's move on....

E_T

[James]

I have been asked to make no further comment on this matter here, for the sake of Apolyton. You know where to find me on email or messenger. More than happy to discuss this matter.