Civ IV Demo Game Discussion

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by skrobism
just a flesh wound.

and no Babylon is not gone yet.

Just wait until we launch the "holy hand grenade"

We have some tricks up our sleeves....

[Beta]

Originally posted by KRILL

Eh, GB, babylon would be in a much better position if they had:

1. Never joined the original TNA
2. Connected iron alot earlier
3. Not pissed off BOH
4. Invaded AM when we were at war with BOH
5. Actually built an army

You aren't losing a war to a team that started this war in a better condition. When this war started we were the minnows, and you had the largest economy.

GB, what you have to understand is that Am has never been a power on this continent. We lost alot in the war against BOH. Since then, we have been clawing everything back, trying to get back onto equal terms with everyone else. We never expected to come out alive from that war, but we did...and now that is your problem, so to speak.

#1 agreed. Awful diplomatic error, trusting BOH. My fault.

#2 agreed.

#3 Existence would have pissed them off. The things that did pi$$ them of were so clearly explained that one dioes need to wonder.

#4. wtf are you talking about. I do not recall ever invading AM. In fact - we worked our asses off diplomatically to support you when you were being pressured by BOH. Which was clearly and obviously appeciated when you sent the FU response to our attempts at peace.

#5 Agreed. An army would have been nice.

So - as to your point of your civ's status vs ours, we have sent you numerous messages regarding world affairs - all of which have fallen or deaf or idiot ears. You decide. Most on our team have already made up their minds.

[Beta]

Re: Civ IV Demo Game Discussion

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot

[i]will Beta be right, can he get all teams to take the Horde out early?

and in that break his own rules on taking stuff to another game

That would have been nice, but for the incredibly low IQ's demonstrated by some in this game

As to your second point - with all due respect Paddy - what the he11 are you talking about!!!??? I have never suggested I would do anything of this nature. This is pretty low blow my friend - and one I would not have expected from you.

[Kloreep]

Beta, by #4 I think Krill means that we should have invaded AM when we didn't.

And I agree with Beta on Krill's points. We made some bad mistakes in #1 and #2.

[Beta]

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot


Coming from a team that is leaving the game so fast, that sure is a funny statement.

So you were NOT serious about you peace mediation then. Well that's a HUGE F@#$#$$# SURPRISE.

[Beta]

Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus
I believe we have done a fantastic job of portraying a Mongol Horde.

I will reiterate con's and GB's posts. yes! Great job. In fact - your strategy has been close to impeccable.

Just don't ask Babylon to sign a reference for you as to the most trustworthy of allies.

[Beta]

Originally posted by Kloreep
Beta, by #4 I think Krill means that we should have invaded AM when we didn't.

yes - sorry - you are correct. Klo.

Krill yes - we should have invaded you then. The fact that we did not, and negotiated for your continued existence, well I can see that this consideration has been reciprocated.

[PLATO]

Yes...The Horde is The Horde. When CIV4DG comes about then The Horde will be something different. The Civ specific details and historical ways of acting were looked into quite extensively by the members of this team. I believe the same would be done for the next Civ that "The Horde" will play. I guess that anyone who wishes to put in the research will have a leg up on knowing how we would play the game, but so be it. It is not just that type of research that makes The Horde what it is. It is some pretty amazing skills being brought to bear in an analytical and thoughtful way. Perhaps I speak too much...

CIV4DG will be a lot of fun for all, but don't expect "The Horde" to play in the same matter, but do expect us to play to the same level of our abilities.

[notyoueither]

I feel a draft.

[ormuzd]

Originally posted by Beta
#4. wtf are you talking about. I do not recall ever invading AM. In fact - we worked our asses off diplomatically to support you when you were being pressured by BOH. Which was clearly and obviously appeciated when you sent the FU response to our attempts at peace.

I really can't remember this happened before the war started. No, really, did you ever speak with us? Or it was just the horde as a partner enough for you?

The only peace offers I have seen were... too demanding let's say. To gift you all captured cities, workers and catapults, send you all our techs, gold as reparation and some settlers. I just can't remember if you wanted us disband some of our units. I'mm sorry that I did not see the situation from your point of view.

There was one proposal from our side and you have used it quite well. This makes my sad you do not want to offer your abilities for the ISDG team and show the world your true value. The other people may be not so dupe as us but who knows?

[Beta]

orm - maybe you and Krill should talk more. This was sent to him from me via email on the 25th.

Krill - if I may. skro was a bit out of line on the 3 settler thing. Not sure where that came from.

What we are suggesting is peace - and Tarren Mills is returned to Babylon. The border would essentially be the pre-war border between the two civs. That's it. Fairly simple.

This is, and will continue to be a messy war, and will only weaken both of us.

A simple yes or no to the peace proposal will suffice. Thanks. Beta.

You explain to me where this is overly demanding.

[Beta]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I feel a draft.

Eat fewer beans.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by ormuzd


I really can't remember this happened before the war started. No, really, did you ever speak with us? Or it was just the horde as a partner enough for you?

The only peace offers I have seen were... too demanding let's say. To gift you all captured cities, workers and catapults, send you all our techs, gold as reparation and some settlers. I just can't remember if you wanted us disband some of our units. I'mm sorry that I did not see the situation from your point of view.

There was one proposal from our side and you have used it quite well. This makes my sad you do not want to offer your abilities for the ISDG team and show the world your true value. The other people may be not so dupe as us but who knows?

This is actually pretty ballsy from a team who has told us in no uncertain terms that they dont even want to talk to us anymore EVER! Which is just fine.

However I will go to the PtW ISDG II, where the Monkeys were invaded by the Lumberjacks and the Cross Dressers. That war never got out of hand in the trash talking threads. All diplomatic corrospondence was sent and answered in a very civil way throughout the entire war. There were several threads started and contributed to by both sides that were actually funny. I read some of them yesterday and again laughed my arse off after a year or so of them being written.

Unfortunately most of those folks aren't playing in this game, and it has taken a decided turn for the worse.

We all Apoly guys, why can't we just get along and have a good time?

At least IMHO its a sorry state that Demo games here have degenerated into.

[Daddy-O]

Maybe Krill never copied Ormuzd when responding to Babylon. I'm sure he did not copy his mother with that foul mouthed response. Maybe he didn't want his team mate to see it either.

Shall we post it here?

[Krill]

Actually, that is nothing compared to my mother...