Intersite DG: Apolyton's Reputation ....

[Beta]

Good points HH. I suspect there is no perfect answer to this one.

I like the idea of the pledge. If there is a DL, to be useful he will need to 'report' back, which means someone in an official capacity back on another team must know about it. So, maybe we need to rely on the integrity of the teams involved, as opposed to focusing on the individuals.

[GeneralTacticus]

Thing is, though - what penalties could be applied for breaking the pledge?

[kentonio]

The ultimate threat of removal of team from the game, with all the embarrasement that would carry for the site involved.

Kentonio

[Arnelos]

I agree with who-ever proposed that ALL the people wanting to get in should be subject to approval by the other members of the team.

As for people who would typically be lurkers on our site, it presents a real problem...

They've been good citizens. No, they haven't posted a lot, but they've contributed to the nation by voting in polls (or at least many of them have). As good and ultimately loyal citizens, they really SHOULD be part of the inter-site game. The problem is that few of us can tell the difference between these "loyal lurkers" and those that would simply be spies.

The answer, I would think, would be similar to the answer reached in the inter-team PTW game that we're currently running here at Apolyton.

All of the teams agreed that they would not tollerate the existence of spies reporting to them on what was happening on other teams. All teams agreed that we would abide by an honors code and that we would police our own members in following that honors code.

So far (at least to my knowledge...), that honors code has worked. If the inter-team demogame is supposed to be a practice to learn things about the inter-site game, then lets go ahead and apply some leasons already learned.

If the teams and especially their leaderships can be trusted to police their own members in regard to not spying on other teams and refusing to utilize anything gained by cheating (such as the re-load bug), then we don't need to worry as much about individual people who may try to join more than one team. We will tell people that it is illegal, against the rules of the game, and if they are found out, they will be banned from ALL teams. That said, however, ultimately what will remove the INCENTIVE for people to cheat is for the teams to agree they won't use anything gained from cheating even if it takes place (and to honor that commitment).

If the other sites will agree to that and we believe we can trust them at their word on that (and we're willing to keep our word on it as well), that may be the best we can do...

Then we don't have to go through this whole idiocy of trying to exclude many of our loyal population who just don't have high postcounts.

It's not a perfect solution, but I don't believe one exists.

EDIT: typos

[Beta]

And that sir, is why you were President.

Perfectly said. I think I will take your entire post to the 1BC site.

Thank-you!

[Dis]

Well of course King is too high. Perhaps 500 post would be more reasonable with possible exceptions of course. There are always exceptions...

Also if an IP check could be done (it would have to be done all at once though. And if people aren't online, I'm not sure that is possible.

Also length of time registered should carry just as much if not more weight than post count. That show more of a commitment to Apolyton than a silly post count. but again, there are exceptions. I think I can vouch for Betahound even though he hasn't been here long.

Anyways, we may just be forced to play the "honour" system and keep a close eye out. It would be nice to have an impartial person admin the game, but I can't imagine who we would find for that.

[E_T]

I agree with Arnelos, going by post counts is not the way to decide on this. When I started the SPDG, I only had about 150 Posts to my name. After becoming a member of the DG & being in the Goverment for 3+ terms, I'm now over 1500 Posts (10 times).

As a lot of you know, I have made a LOT of Contributions to the SPDG, which I would not have been able to, if that game had a post limit to try to join. We need to just hope for the best.

Remember, the same could also apply the other way around, i.e. some of us spying on them. While I'm not stating that some of us would, there is always that possibility. As long as we keep OURSELVES as honorable players, I don't really think that we should continue to consern ourselves with what somebody else might do. IF someone does go and Spy on us, we'll still be able to kick there A**es...

E_T

[E_T]

Oh, where will we have our Trash talking thread with them?? In this Forum??

E_T

[Donegeal]

I agree that King is probably too high, but I sugested it only because I have already attained the rank of Prince (and have a personal Avatar) and didn't want people accusing me of picking an arbituary number that I had already reached. The voucher system with Markos picking the first group of players I think is the most digestable suggestion (although I would prefer a team vote by all current members).

[Tiberius]

Honesty pledge

I admit that I am a registered member of CFC, my login name being Huszar (if it's still active ). I hereby swear not to use it in any way to cheat, spy or do any harm to the CFC demo team. I don't have and I won't create any other logins on the other civ sites, for the purpose of cheating in the Interciv Demogame.

Tiberius

PS Now, I hope I don't have to divulge my Apolyton DLs, too

[Aro]

I'm a registered member of CFC (and probably at Big Civ, also), too. Under the same nick I use here, I think...
Few posts in CFC, no posts (IIRC) in BC.

[notyoueither]

I'll join.

btw, I am registered as nye (long version) at cfc. I think I have about 32 posts, or somewhere thereabouts.

[notyoueither]

The trick is going to be getting TF to agree to an official cfc team, from what I know.

[GeneralTacticus]

I also have an account at CFC, under GeneralTacticus, which has a little over 100 posts, but has been essentially inactive for months.

[Beta]

Originally posted by notyoueither
The trick is going to be getting TF to agree to an official cfc team, from what I know.

Hi nye. Last I heard is that they did in fact have a team - although they weren't sure they could get a closed forum. Which would make it - er - difficult, to play effectively as a team.

(and - you never answered my question - where is the picture of the tiger from? )