What now Carthage

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Although we are now allied against this nation with so many of our friends, do we honour these pacts or stay true to the original wish of the Senate;

To complete the annexation of Spain and capture Caralis and seek a peace resolution when these goals are met.

any peace with them now will seriously damage relations with the Macedonians.

If I can complete the first two parts of this mission should I as your Emporer seek a Peace treaty ?

[Modo44]

Sadly, I think we should break the alliances. This will hurt our reputation, but we can't be bothered to keep fighting Carthage, after our main goals are reached. Let them kick others around.

[ormuzd]

I don't think you'll achieve this in your reign. Even if you do, leave it to the next emperor. Turn earlier or later doesn't matter.

Hopefully the things here will calm down and we will be able to analyze the situation better.

[Micha]

Well, so we´re locked in a war with Carthage. That´s not quite optimal, but there are worse things than that.

After the next glorious Emperor has captured AND SECURED Sardinia, we might talk again about committing to the alliances. But I doubt that will happen within 5 turns.

We need a navy! Then there´s nothing to worry about warring Carthage for another, let´s say, ten turns. Maybe we´ll get another army from the skirmishes?

I say we keep fighting the swines in Africa!

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Micha
We need a navy! Then there´s nothing to worry about warring Carthage for another, let´s say, ten turns. Maybe we´ll get another army from the skirmishes?

No, we don't. It's cheaper to fight Carthaginian units on land, where our units are superior. Basically, our Legions and Heavy Cavalry survive engagements much easier, than our Galleys. MUCH easier.

Originally posted by Micha I say we keep fighting the swines in Africa!

We don't have any useful way of landing there. Walking over is not an option either, with Macedonia, Persia, and Egypt sitting where they sit.

[Micha]

We don't have any useful way of landing there.

Which is exactly why I think we need a navy...

Anyway, I didn´t mean we invade their mainland. I meant they are "swines in africa" (better "from africa") and we should keep fighting them.

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Micha
Which is exactly why I think we need a navy...

We'd need 20 Galleys to start with, with constant reinforcements streaming in, due to excessive losses. I'm sorry, but I'd have to be out of my mind to support this. We should really have a VETO feature.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

This poll is not about a Navy please stick to the topic!!

[Daddy-O]

I say keep warring with Carthage, even though I pointed out that we'd need to have this discussion. ie. It's worth talking about but I am in favor of continuing the Carthage war. Macedonia is occupying Carthaginian ships with their own.

I had two chances at piece with Carthage and rejected them because:
1 - We had not won Spain yet.
2 - The islands are not yet ours.
3 - We are allied against them (although I am not concerned about our rep.) The alliance is working for us now.

BTW we do need a navy. How else do we get to the Islands?

[Tassadar500]

We need peace with Carthage. It is the Macedonians who are swine, not the Carthaginians.

[Daddy-O]

And an Emperor is supposed to keep the Senate happy? On my turn the Senate cried for continued war with Carthage and Peace with Macedonia.

[Aqualung71]

Well I for one, advised making peace with Carthage many years ago. So I guess you know my vote

[Daddy-O]

Yes you did Senator Aqualung71, and for well thought out reasons too. I was speaking of the Senate as a body.

[Daddy-O]

I am not worried about our reputation with the other nations, but can we risk an angry war with the Macedonians now for a luke warm peace with Carthage. Macedonia is fighting our war with Persia and Carthage.

[joncnunn]

Continue the war with Carthage, but do NOT invade North Africa.

After we secure Spain from Carthage start downsizing the Celts.