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  • Maxiumus Meadae 275-250 BC - Military issues (first read please)

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    Without any doubt all veteran Legion’s will be called to their nearest training facilities to be equipped with the latest weapons and have a training using them. I, Maximus Meadae, next to lead Rome to its glory, would like to ask the senate to give their opinion over what to do with our elite troops. Their experience with the weapons they already have, allows for a chance one of them to stand up as a Military Leader (ML). This experience gets lost if we are to equip them with the latest weapons.

    I, Maximus Meadae, next to lead Rome to its glory, call for a vote on the issue of where our elite Legion II units should go


    Great Leader – Forbidden Palace
    According to senators Joncnunn and Modo44 our ML Trajan, who is residing at Mediolanum, is to lead an army of Legion III’s. Senator Modo44 would like to emphasize on increasing the chances for a victorious army which allows for building the Heroic Epic (HE). This small wonder will increase the promotion odds. Senator Joncnunn pointed out that our empire will be virtually corruption free once we apply the government form of Imperialism. With this new army, senator Modo44 wishes to fight the Carthegenians in Spain. Senator Joncnunn has also mentioned building the Forbidden Palace (FP) with a ML. From his words regarding the purpose of Trajan, it seems however he has another Roman hero in his mind that has not yet stood up from our ranks. Nonetheless it’s a valid option to rush build the Forbidden Palace with Trajan.

    A lively discussion has been going on between senators Modo44 and Joncnunn on where to place the FP. Senator Modo44 kicked off with proposing to build the FP in either Neapolis or one of the Northern cities. The FP increases the optimal city number (OCN) and reduces the distance–based corruption. Senator Joncnunn argues that there’s virtually no distance based corruption in Italy and on the close by islands under Imperialism added to the commercial nature of Rome. In reply, senator Modo44 agreed with senator Joncnunn to build the FP not too close to Rome. At the moment Modo44 was to sit down, he stepped up again and told us he remembered that in general the location of the FP is of less importance in C3C, as long as it’s build as quickly as possible to reduce the overall corruption. As Imperialism isn’t available yet, now the whole empire would benefit the most from the effect of the FP. Senator Joncnunn stood up again and mentioned building the FP with the inspirational help of a ML when we have conquered several Macedonian cities. It almost looked like senator Modo44 was to faint, but he could just make it to sit down on his chair mumbling: too slow, too slow, too slow.

    Hearing these arguments, I, Maximus Meadae, next to lead Rome to its glory, call for a vote on the issues of what orders to give Trajan and where to build the FP


    Navy - Carthago
    The former emperor Conius made notice of the poor state of our navy opposed to the numerous Carthegenian galleys that have been sighted. At the moment 5 galleys are available to Rome. Conius argues we should build more galleys in order to make a successful attempt at razing Carthago or instead review our plans if we want to raze Carthago at all. Senators Modo44 and Joncnunn argue that we are in higher demand of Legions III. They point out that the Celts, Gauls, Macedonians and Spanish Carthage can be reached without the need of any galley. Moreover they argue to use the galleys as a ferry and maybe build 1 extra. Senator Modo44 eventually proposed to land near Carthago by exiting port and unloading on the same turn on the closest Carthegean soil from Sicily. Even if the galleys get thrashed, although he doubts all of them will, the job will be done and no Legions lost at sea. Senator Snoopy369 suggested to use 2 galleys to shield of enemy galleys if we would really want to land on the hills near Carthago.

    Hearing these arguments, I, Maximus Meadae, next to lead Rome to its glory, feel that the 3 available galleys at Sicily will do the job getting enough troops on Carthegean soil regardless the destiny of the ships. Carthage shall fall during my reign. For the voyage home, we have 2 galleys in spare and there’s a chance we’ll be at peace with Carthage by that time. I see no reason for a vote, but off course I’m open to suggestions until saturday December 4


    Noviodunum
    Senator Conius is worried our unprotected city in Celtic territory will be attacked soon enough by the Carthegenians. A spearman is being built there, which is probably not enough to oppose an attack. Senator Modo44 wishes to send a Legion unit through Celtic territory to aid with the defence of Noviodunum.

    Hearing these arguments, I, Maximus Meadae, next to lead Rome to its glory, feel that Noviodunum is costing the Roman empire more (valuable discussion time and maybe even resources) than it yields. Giving it away to the Goths might improve their attitude towards us and might put pressure on the Gothic-Celtic relation. Having the Goths and Celts waste some resources on one another, while we intend to incorporate France into the Roman empire in due time, will be beneficial. Defense will be easier than. Nonetheless I wish to hear the voice of the senate over this matter
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    Last edited by McMeadows; December 2, 2004, 15:30.
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  • #2
    Dark Blue is a very poor color for the foreground, I had to highlight the text to see it clearly.

    Training : Keep Elite Legionary IIs that haven't produced a GL yet as Legionary IIs to produce leaders, and then upgrade it to Legionary III so it can evenually form another military leader.

    Build FP with GL later. The FP will reduce distance-based corruption for those cities. In my own game I found that Imperalism + FP in Neo Carthage results in surronding cities being initally about 20% corrupt without Court Houses but in a WLTPD, decreasing substantly with a Court House built in the surronding cities. (Corruption did substantly increase there over the course of the game as I annexed Greece and founded lots, and lots of cities in the holes, but they were still pretty good producers of Garrison units / Citizens with Court Houses.) On the Diety level, I'm thinking a captured city in Greece or else found a new one around Barcelonia.

    On Noviodunim, I propose sending our new army with Trajen to agressively defend it. (And some more Legionary IIIs as well)
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    • #3
      Some of the forum skins (like the SMAC one I'm using) don't go well with colorful text.


      Well, I already said most of what was to be said, so just minor points.

      I didn't feint, nor was I near it.

      Upgrade Legions I (there is at least one left, IIRC), even Elite ones. Leave Legions II, if they are Elite, as they are.

      Send the one Legion through Celtic territory, to defend the Roman city. However irrelevant you might consider them, those are now Roman citizens, dear Emperor. Our duty is to keep them safe. A Legion should do the job just fine. An army is not necessary in my opinion - it would be better used taking the road into south Spain.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Modo44
        I didn't feint, nor was I near it.
        I could just see you do it... I got a bit carried away describing the situation. I also considered describing you as to get so mad you almost exploded while shouting: TOO SLOW..
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        • #5
          Nah, I was calm all the time, sorry to disappoint you. Oh Great Emperor, I mean.


          BTW, new sig coming up. The old one got... uh... old.
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          • #6
            We have been talking about sacking Carthage, what does that mean?

            Are we keeping Cathage or are we burning it?
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            • #7
              Here, I see the spammer Emperor talking. Emperor McMeadows clearly said that sacking Carthage is easy done, so it needs no further discussion.
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              • #8
                Agreed with Modo44 , update even the elite Legionary Is.

                I haven't looked at the save yet, the way the emperor was talking it sounded like several enemy units were on the way to Noviodunum, which is why I proposed sending the new army there initally on it's way to the next target along with lots of Legionary IIIs.

                Yes, the Legionary III army would be better at attacking, especally stacked with Heavy Calvary. Major attack & defense for the HC.
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                • #9
                  No, there's no visible threat to Noviodunum at the moment. But it's weak defences might be known to the Carthaginians. That's why I suggest sending a Legion there - as a precaution.
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                  • #10
                    "I did it! I remembered to multi-vote! I even followed popular (and IMHO logical) course of action!!"
                    ***ohh...embarassing outburst ***

                    I, too, am unclear on whether 'sacking' involves 'burning to the ground', 'occupying', or something else for Carthage. Are we keeping it or are we destroying ( burninating ) it?

                    I agree with sending a token defense unit to calm the panicky civilians of Noviodunum.
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                    • #11
                      sacking = burning it to the ground.
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                      • #12
                        I believe the long term current plan for Carthigan cities is:

                        Carthage : Burn to the ground

                        Corsica & Sardina : Keep

                        Spain : Keep

                        Other North African cities : Probably burn to the ground until the number is greatly reduced, and then start keeping.
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                        • #13
                          Short term fo Emporer McMeadows, build legion 3 army, send a unit to the city up north, burn Carthage asap, send new army to Corsica and Sardinia.

                          Im certain that most of the senate was thinking along the lines of peace with Carthage once their capitol was in ruins and the islands were secured!!!

                          There is no need to send troops all the way to Spain when we have much closer targets at hand. Spain is for much later in the game to my mind.

                          Peace with Carthage could net us some good trade income whilst we dismantle the Celts and settle the lands north of Macedonia.

                          Long term for other emporers is destroy much of the celts after peace is signed witth Carthage, settle as much land as possible towards the Macedonians then attack the Macedonians when the Cerlts have been put out of the game.

                          I think Byzantium should be definite goal of the Empire, a superbly situated land bridge giving access to smash the Persians when we feel like it
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                          • #14
                            Matters the senate has agreed upon years before are still the guidelines along which the emperor's oreders will be executed. The plan is to burn Carthago to the ground and propose peace in exchance of the Mediteranean Islands. As long as this is not granted these Islands will be conquered. Our interest for Spain goes no further than to settle next to the source of spice there to enable Rome to build the Bacchanalia. After peace has been agreed upon with the Carthegenians, the Celts are still to be the next to suffer from our wrath...
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                            • #15
                              Yes, but after knocking down the Celts we'd want to attack Carthage again to take Spain to complete getting them out of our landmass and also make founding cities in the owned sections of Spain easier.

                              We will evenually need 20% of the land. I'm currently thinking this should include all of Spain, France, Greece, Balkins, and Southern Austria which would get us to about 15%. (Combination of fighting Gauls, Carhengans, and Macedonias and settling) The other 5% wouth then need to come from:

                              1. Eliminating the Carhage civ and then founding sufficent North African cities both in Carthage land and the open land south of them.

                              OR

                              2. Annexing the Gauls in Germany and then REXing east to get our empire flush with the other barb tribe.

                              OR

                              3. Annexing half of the Persian empire, including all of Turkey.
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