Build cues for 300BC

[conmcb25]

OK what do we want to build where?

What should the cities be working?

Science rate vs tax rate vs lux rate?

What wonder should we build where?

Start talking folks

[Aqualung71]

Off the top of my head.....

1. Probably have enough Workers by now

2. Need a couple of extra Citizens

3. Legionaries

4. A few extra Courthouses probably wouldn't go astray

Keep getting the Workers building those roads and growing the towns as much as possible.

Maximise science to try to achieve 4 turn research. You should be able to do that in the GA.

Wonders - hopefully you'll jag ToA and Great Lighthouse in a couple of turns....though if you can buy the right tech (Construction or Monarchy?), you can switch to Hadrian's....though I'm no big fan.

Have we built a FP yet? That would be good to get going. Oh, we need the Republic tech first I think

More accurate stuff to come when I actually go look at the save again

[conmcb25]

I would think myself we could use Hadrians before Great Lighthouse.

Its REALLY nice IMHO anyway when you build a new city or takeover and a city and it immediately has a temple (ToA) and walls (Hadrians). The goal is 20% pop and 50% land, anything thats helps us get closer to that goal is a big plus.

But again thats MHO

[Modo44]

Definately go for Hadrian's Wall instead of the Lighthouse. We probably won't be albe to get any more happiness wonders (except ToA, if we make it), so I think we should get a military one instead. The Lighthouse is only of moderate use, IMO.

To get the tech for Hadrian's Wall, you might need to sell another. The tech-tree isn't long here, so IMO we shouldn't try to keep to our knowledge, but we should use it to generate profit istead. Try to maximize the gains, by selling the tech to everyone and stripping them of all they possess. Perhaps even get someone to war with Carthage.

Get those Citizens out pronto.

Get at least some defenders up north and east. If the Macedonians notice we're open there, we're toast. Remember, they are not fighting Parsia (yet ), so they probably have loads of Hoplites running around. And there's always a chance of "accidently" burning some barbarian cities, if they make it that close to Rome.

Go attack Carthage with the Army.

[conmcb25]

OK without me going back and checking, I know we changed the locked war between us and Carthage.

Did we do that with Persia and Greece as well?

If so then we need to do some Persia arse kissing so if Macedon gets aggressive we have another dog nipping at there backside.

[conmcb25]

With that being said working a deal with Persia first maybe in order?

Thoughts?

[Modo44]

Well, selling technology to the Persians might be just this trade we need. Perhaps we should also consider signing a ROP, to keep them on our good side.

[conmcb25]

That might be a good idea as well.

Was the locked war between Macedon and Persia changed? Does anyone remember?

Thanks

[Modo44]

Yes, the lockad war was removed. They are at peace since we started 350BC.

[Aqualung71]

I second that.....Persia should be our firm friend, for now

Perhaps if we can, sell MT to Macedonia for an arm and a leg, and a better deal for Persia and Egypt so we get Construction and Monarchy.

[conmcb25]

Thanks on the Persia/Macedon confirmation.

Aqua, what do you mean exactly by a "better deal for Persia and Egypt"?

[Aqualung71]

Sell Military Training to Macedonia first, so we get the highest price from them and by implication, weaken them more. Then when we sell it to Persia and Egypt, etc, the price will necessarily be lower.....but we must also ensure that we pick up Construction and Monarchy in these deals. Egypt has only one, while Persia has both (if I recall correctly), which gives us the opportunity for a smart trade

[conmcb25]

Ah, OK I follow your reasoning and a fine plan I might add.

Weaken your closest threat the most and give the better deal to your power balancer on the other side.

Great strategy

[conmcb25]

Ok I hate to do this but I need to get serious for a minute, I know what a bloddy drag

I took a quick look at the save.

We still need to take both Corsica and Sardinia.

What does everyone think?

Secure the Islands first then sack Carthago?

Or take the Capitol and securing the islands is a cake walk?

Also we have only three galleys right now and I would like one or two more for further OPs against the carthaginians and we can use them eventually against the Greeks so they wont go to waste

We can also settle the balerics and any other Islands not settled eventually.

I think I would build them in the south where we already have Harbors.

I tried the trade first with Persia and they will give us Monarchy and Construction and a World Map for Mil Training. They have no gold.

So I think Ill go that route first and then see how much cash I can extort from the Greeks for MT.

Sound good?

More later I think we need to look at some of the build cues. For instance I think Tarentum (sp?) in the south is maxed out at pop six and the food box is full, sounds like citizen or worker time to me

More later I could just take a quick look today

[Modo44]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Or take the Capitol and securing the islands is a cake walk?

I'd go for sacking Carthago. They might give up the islands (or at least one) for free then. Remember, they already lost two cities with culture.

Originally posted by conmcb25
Also we have only three galleys right now and I would like one or two more for further OPs against the carthaginians and we can use them eventually against the Greeks so they wont go to waste

To actually beat the Carthaginians, you'd need more like 10 of those Galleys. My bet would be to keep as small a fleet as we can to keep the Legions moving. Galleys carry 4 units here, so one additional shold be sufficient. Except if we plan a huge invasion that 4 Galleys can't carry.

Originally posted by conmcb25
We can also settle the balerics and any other Islands not settled eventually.

I think I would build them in the south where we already have Harbors.

We could try to, but what for? They would only make liabilities as long as Carthage is alive. And they couldn't contribute directly to Legion production.

Or do you think we need some Harbor-cities producing exclusively cash? Only with the addition of being difficult to defend and not being very close to the capital...

Originally posted by conmcb25
More later I think we need to look at some of the build cues. For instance I think Tarentum (sp?) in the south is maxed out at pop six and the food box is full, sounds like citizen or worker time to me

Definately make some Citizens, but probably not many more Workers are needed. Of course cities that are maxed out are best for this.