Senate Bill: Victory by Diplomacy

[Kloreep]

This bill (if passed) orders Na'rmer to build the United Nations in Apolyton as soon as Fission is discovered. It further orders that the President, when prompted, will choose to hold a vote of the UN to attempt the diplomatic victory of our grand civilization!

Poll lasts 7 days, so please take your time and listen to arguments before voting.

[Aro]

First vote...

[Kloreep]

Do we go the short - though maybe riskier - route, or the long way round? Remember, you don't have to vote immediately; this poll is open for a week.

Also, if this bill passes, Shiber will probably need authorization for numerous alliances. I'll leave it up to him to figure out what he wants and post a bill for it if this looks like it'll pass.

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by Aro
First vote...

Don't you people ever consider carefully?

[Aro]

We have to study carefully the roadcage's plan, but it seems very, very efficient.
Sarge, could you post your plan about the diplo victory here, or a link?

[Aro]

Originally posted by Kloreep


Don't you people ever consider carefully?

I'm considering this for days...

[Jon Shafer]

Do it.

Let's end this game when we can.

[roadcage]

Follow the link to where the Diplomatic Victory plan was outlined.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1715463#post1715463

That post was made based on the 1360 save so a little update is in order. Our max Science production has swelled from 2371 beakers in 1360 to 2749 beakers in 1395. This is more than ample to do Fission in 4 turns.

The Plan:

1395 start Flight, the last required Industrial age tech
1415 start Fission, the UN enabler
start buying alliances, objective is atleast 6 preferably more alliances against Japan by 1425
1430 rush whatever Apolyton is building so
1435 Apolyton Leader rushes UN
1440 hold vote and celebrate

We should have lots of goodies to give to our Alliance partners. MT, Flight, Cash, Cash/turn, Lux whatever it takes to buy our way to victory.

And it is also necessary to maintain the war against Japan for the duration. Just keep it low intensity so we don't get a lot of war weariness.

Comments welcome.

[Shiber]

I've voted no.
IMHO, the triumph of scientists is much more glorious and honorable than the triumph of diplomats. Therefore, I would like us to go to the stars. Wouldn't you?

[CiverDan]

I think the time has come to get this game over with...

[Nimitz]

Do we really want to risk all we've done on this very risky win.

[joncnunn]

I'm going to refrain from voting for a few days thinking this over some more before voting.

As long as we destroy Japense forces within our territory, including teritoral waters, we will get no WW.

Even destroying a transport in the ocean won't add much WW. (I think that's only counted as 1 unit against us regardless of the # of units it's carring)

What would cause big war werrious would be an invasion of Japan.

The big thing we need is to have as many civs as possible be gracious towards us.

The following civs though we've been at war with so if they are still around the most we can hope for is for them to abstain:
Persia, Zulu, China, Rome, Babylon. (Japan will almost certatinely be eligible to vote for themselves and do so.)

Those most likely to vote for us: Greece, England, Irq, Russians, and Aztecs. (But be sure to check Greeces population, it's possible that they might be eligible to vote for themselves as well which would throw a monkey wrenth into the works.)

[Arnelos]

Too risky, in my opinion.

Besides, I'd rather win by space race.

[Sheik]

Let's end it. I vote for Diplomatic victory

[roadcage]

Victory by UN vote is not necessarily risky. There are certain diplomatic steps necessary to ensure that the outcome is satisfactory. That's why they call the victory type "Diplomatic". What is risky is calling for the vote without doing the necessary diplomatic things.

Let's imagine that the vote were called right now. Needless to say it won't happen because the UN Great Wonder needs to be built first. But if it were, each civ remaining in the game would be given 3 options. The leader names of the top two civs as determined by score on the display, and abstention. Looking at the current scores the choices would be:
banana
Tokugawa
abstain

And looking closely at the score spreads, it is almost a certainty that the top two civs will be the same 9 turns from now.

So how do we convince a majority of the civs that the banana is a better choice than the Shogun Tokugawa?

By diplomacy. We are currently in a low intensity warfare situation with Japan. It is a reasonable and proper choice for us to solicit allies in this war. If we can get a majority of the civs to form Alliances with us against Japan, those civs will also be at war with Japan and therefore highly unlikely to vote for the Shogun.

We approach this situation with an extremely large bag of goodies to offer prospective allies. Motorized Transport, Flight, several Luxes, and several thousand Lytons and over a thousand Lytons per turn. And I am confident that we can get all 10 of the candidate civs to ally against Japan for a mere fraction of our stash.

So where is the risk? We do not commit to having a vote until we call for it. We will be Leader Rushing the UN in Apolyton in the year 1435 and will have the option to call the vote in 1440. If by some chance, we cannot get a significant majority of the Civs to Ally with us, we will not call for the vote.

So I say to all these present. Vote for Diplomatic victory. See how the alliances pan out. And when they do as I am sure they will, be present for the turnchat that encompases 1440. And be sure to bring your party hats.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)