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**Aro** · February 9, 2003, 09:13

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**Panag** · February 9, 2003, 10:46

hi ,

what a chat

great job guys

have a nice day

**Aro** · February 9, 2003, 10:59

From the turnchat thread, to joncnunn and all Governors:

Originally posted by Aro
This save includes all DM stuff (almost...) to the beggining of 1380 ad.

I had to solve some minor inconsistencies, I hope in the better way...

The worker integration in Arbela will be complete next turn (I have to integrate one more native worker to make the city size 18), I'm waiting for our engineering corps to make some necessary improvements to prevent starvation. Btw, we have one specialist (tax colector) in Arbela, not enough tiles. Should we integrate one more, as requested?
Could you check this, Aidun?

About rushes, the specified ones are done, but... joncnunn, could you take a look at the save and check it? I mean, the rushes.

The other Governors could do the same thing...

About overlaps, I would like to have this save checked, too, I probably missed something.

In general, I think that the DM stuff is done. With some minor mistakes, probably (I didn't noticed any, but...).

Any changes or errors to be corrected, post here or in the report thread (I'll make this tomorrow).

Roadcage, be nice...

Thanks, panag.

**Hot Mustard** · February 9, 2003, 12:31

Wow! $$$! I'll have a ton of rush requests for the next chat.

Our beautiful Iron Works city is now cranking out 144 shields (after corruption) per turn. What shall this production behemoth build next? A Police Station would make a minimal difference, as it is so close to Macross City. Dive right into Military Academy (4 turns), or something else?

Here It Is (another production monster) will have completed all available buildings in 2 turns with it's University, and will start cranking out Infantry, unless someone has a better idea.

**Aro** · February 9, 2003, 12:33

Military Academy!

**Shiber** · February 9, 2003, 12:59

Originally posted by dejon
Wow! $$$! I'll have a ton of rush requests for the next chat.

We currently have 11,691 cash gold, and an income of 2,269 gold per turn. You'll have a lot to rush with.

Our beautiful Iron Works city is now cranking out 144 shields (after corruption) per turn.

Or 155 shields if we join another worker to the city (it can support one more citizen).

What shall this production behemoth build next? A Police Station would make a minimal difference, as it is so close to Macross City. Dive right into Military Academy (4 turns), or something else?

Let's just finish the library, bank and university (5 turns) before we dive into Mil. Academy, then armies, and then The Pentagon and then lots of 4-unit armies.

Here It Is (another production monster) will have completed all available buildings in 2 turns with it's University, and will start cranking out Infantry, unless someone has a better idea.

I suppose building military units is okay. Infantry are good because they can be ugpraded to Mech Infantry in the modern age.

**joncnunn** · February 10, 2003, 12:22

The last thing we want is our IW getting 2X the amount of WW it has to during wars.

So, let's have the Pol Station before the MA and the 2 additional armies that will allow the Pentagon.

On Here It Is: Yes, Tanks will be better than Infs when we discover Mobile Warfare.

Originally posted by dejon
Wow! $$$! I'll have a ton of rush requests for the next chat.

Our beautiful Iron Works city is now cranking out 144 shields (after corruption) per turn. What shall this production behemoth build next? A Police Station would make a minimal difference, as it is so close to Macross City. Dive right into Military Academy (4 turns), or something else?

Here It Is (another production monster) will have completed all available buildings in 2 turns with it's University, and will start cranking out Infantry, unless someone has a better idea.

**roadcage** · February 11, 2003, 00:40

I am truly confused. After looking at the save, I conclude that our optimum victory condition is Diplomatic. We are already at war with the #2 Civ, Japan, have oodles of cash to buy the very best alliances possible, and a reserved GL to make the UN as soon as it appears in a build list.

So, we refuse to talk to Japan, pull in our Navy encouraging Japan to land on our turf. Once there we bombard them to 1 hp then kill with our Cav or Inf. This by the way causes no incremental war weariness. And when we are close to the UN, buy a bunch of alliances against Japan.

Meanwhile we beeline for Fission. 3 turns for MT, 4 turns for Flt, 4 or 5 turns for Fission, 1 turn for GL-> UN and presto! victory in 12 or 13 turns. The alternative is atleast 48 turns of science effort to make get the space ship parts on a build list.

Fission is a base cost of 260 meaning for our map size and difficulty we need 2600 beakers/turn to do Fission in 4. Right now we are at 2371 beakers/turn on 100% sci. We have 7 turns to bulk up our beakers to that level. I can identify where about 180 or so beakers can be had from current university plans plus accelerating the buildup of Berlin's pop and sci infrastructure. That leaves about 50 beakers or so that needs to come from other pop builds. That's only about 10 more worker addbacks in addition ot Berlin. We should be able to do it.

Basically, the last thing we need now is more banks. We already have about 2000 lytons /turn to rush away. That's a lot of rushing, and realistically more than our current crop of candidates. We need to increase our candidate list for several turns by making disbandable mil units so the cities that need structures can rush every turn instead of every other turn. We currently have 5 outdated units, 3 SW, 1 LB, 1 KT available for this purpose. Add in a couple or three new units/turn, and I think we can do it.

So, let's start the V-turn countdown. Will it be 1440 following the Diplo route, or 1620 or so and a space ship.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

**Aro** · February 11, 2003, 01:02

roadcage, you're amazing!

It seems like a really good plan.
Comments?
Btw, this could happen in the next term, Thud...

Edit: roadcage, you should run for something.

**Donegeal** · February 11, 2003, 08:58

So Roadcage went out and did the calulations (thanks, btw. Maybe people will start to listen....).

I have been pushing for Diplomatic victory for the past two terms because I realized it was going to be the quickest. I had even posted the idea of getting Japan to attack us on our soil while we have MPP's with everyone to virtualy insure our victory.

ahhhh... rant over.

**Shiber** · February 11, 2003, 09:23

Who says that we want victory in 12-13 turns?
I for one first want to see a D-day invasion of Japan, combining the might of aircraft carriers, modern armor, radar artillery, missiles and all the cool modern killing machines. Then we can reach victory.

**Aro** · February 11, 2003, 09:46

If the Senate allows us to fight Japan for real, I'm a strong support of the "D Day".

If not, the run for the spaceship could be... bored!

In this case, I'll support a diplomatic victory.

**Aro** · February 11, 2003, 09:49

And, of course, we can win in the two ways.

**Aidun** · February 11, 2003, 10:37

D Day was the conquest of the beaches of Normandy, Japan is only beach.

Aidun

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