FAM's Office: 1330 AD

[Panag]

hi ,

imagine the germans have a tech we dont have in lets say 10 -16 turns , we shall be occupied with our space race , ...... we then could buy it from then , or we could grab it , ....

anyway there are plenty of reasons to keep them around a bit longer , ....

so for now we should focus on the couple cities we want to take , in other words , no lonf wars , but spearhead our troops in one or two cities and sign peace treaty because our people are on the brink of revolt , ....

have a nice day

[roadcage]

War reduction plan

1340-our MPP's expire. do NOT, repeat do NOT allow them to continue. Once all are ended, we can safely negotiate peace with Rome and Babs. Continuing these MPP's will force us to fight on till Rome and Babs are eliminated.

1345 or 1350, whenever Germany is eliminated, our major War weariness will cease.

I don't expect Japan to talk to us before 1350. We can keep their fleet shuttling back and forth between Uber and the mainland by careful opening and closing of worker walls. Meanwhile we can safely bombard them with our Ironclads in our or neutral waters without fear of ww. Once Germany war is over and we have a large supply of otherwise unoccupied Artillery and Cavalry, leave the mainland wall open (on flat terrain tiles only) and Bombard the landers to 1 hp and liquidate with Cavalry. Any remaining Artillery can bombard the Jap fleet if it is within range of shore based units. Check the deal Japan offers each turn and when it is suitable, take them up on it.

Once we get out of these wars, Infrastructure till Tanks are available, then start beefing up. If we fight again, we want NO ALLIANCES or MPPs to interfere with our war plans. I don't think we plan to dominate, but if any AI on our continent choose war, we need to be able to fight, and negotiate without concern for unnecessary alliances and mpps. By around 1400 or so we will be capable of taking on the entire continent at once if we so choose. I do not think we will choose to do so, but we can if we want to.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

[Shiber]

Roadcage, I'd order to sign peace with Germany and Rome, but we have alliances against them that will last for an additional five turns after the MPPs end.
As for signing a peace treaty with Japan, I told Meshelic that I could delay the signing if he wishes to sink more Japanese ships (frankly, so do I). I'm still waiting for his response on this matter.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by panag
imagine the germans have a tech we dont have in lets say 10 -16 turns

You're kidding. None of the other AI civs, even the big ones like Japan and Greece, have any techs that we don't have, because we research so much faster than they do. How could Germany, which, at the end of this war, will have only a few cities more than Persia has, possibly research a certain tech before we do?

[roadcage]

We have no Alliances against Rome or Babylon. We do have Alliances against Germany, and trade embargos against Germany. The war reduction plan I posted above is the best plan forward and consistent with

.) The senate's desire to get out from under our war weariness.

.) The senate's desire to eliminate Germany

.) The SMC's desire to inflict some pain on the Jap fleet.

[joncnunn]

WW is calculated on a per player basis.

If we sign a peace treaty with Germany, and then start fighting England we can handle the WW until Liz signs an alliance with Bismark bringing all the WW from Germany back into effect.

Independant of this, I don't want a war with England at least until we catch up on our inferstructure improvements. (Namely Hospitals as soon as the war with Germany ends)

Originally posted by Arnelos

Unless you're near on to suicidal when it comes to dealing with war weariness, you won't be trying to go to war with Lizzy for at least the next 30 turns...

So a few more turns of an MPP aren't going to hurt you and MIGHT just prevent Lizzy from signing an alliance against us that dooms our government to fall into anarchy...

[Aro]

I agree, joncnunn.
Besides that, all the fun of war (GL's) is gone...

[Shiber]

Sorry, I included Rome in this by mistake. We can sign a peace treaty with them (see my orders).
As for Germany, see my next post...

[Shiber]

I AM A COMPLETE IDIOT.

The diplomacy screens read that we have trade embargos against Germany. I misread these as alliances, for some odd reason.
I support ending the war with Germany the moment that the MPPs expire. I'll ask for SMC Meshelic's opinion on this matter, and should he agree (which I expect he would), I'll change my orders to reflect that.

I apologize for misreading simple, black-on-bright-texture text, and for misleading the senate by mistake. Words cannot express how mad I am at myself. I promise that this will NOT happen again, ever.

At least I can take comfort in the fact that no actual harm was done.

[Arnelos]

Shiber,

I did sign alliances against Germany with several civs. If I remember correctly, such alliances were signed with Japan (well that doesn't matter anymore ) and a few others. Please double-check which nations would still be allied with us against Germany, as there might still be 1 or 2.

If you need clarficiation, go back and look at the original report I wrote on the "Axis of Evil"

[Meshelic]

I have sent you a response concerning this matter Shib....

[Shiber]

Meshelic: thanks for your fast reply!

Arnelos: yes, I remember that. That's why I thought we still have alliances against Germany, but I suppose they were cancelled because the other civs have either declared war on us, in the case of Japan, or have signed a peace treaty with Germany.
I've doublechecked the save, and unless my game is broken, there are no current alliances that prevent us from signing a peace treaty with Germany, other than the MPPs.

[Shiber]

Another apology to the senate: normally, I would have posted a poll before signing peace with Germany (though I am not required to do so, it has become a custom to do so). However, since there are slightly less than two hours left before the turnchat, there's not much point in posting a poll now.
If anyone strongly objects to signing peace with Germany, please speak up and I will consider your arguments. Though, before you do, keep in mind that I'd like to finish Otto anyway, in another short war, because if we go for the diplomatic victory he'll certainly vote anti-Apolytonia in the UN.

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Shiber
Meshelic: thanks for your fast reply!

It had more to do with me having just woken up, pure coincedence....



Mesh

[roadcage]

Signing a peace treaty with Germany at this point is MADNESS. This will result in irreperable harm to our reputation as several Alliances are still pending. In any event, Germany will be toast by about 1350 or so and possibly by 1345 at which time all of our problems disapear. That's only 3 or 4 more turns.

So far we have not utilized the lux slider, so there is still adequate room for a few more battles.

Stay the course!