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    I propose that in order to stop halting the game for excessive periods of time in the future, we form a senate committee that will be placed in charge of deciding how to use our nation's Great Leaders.
    Now that we're doing exceptionally good, and the benefits of GLs aren't such a big deal anymore, we should stop halting the game over such incrucial matters as determining the use for a GL and hand over the choice to a small senate committee, which will be made out of 5 elected senators.
    What do you think?
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  • #2
    This has some merit...

    Not sure how people will take the idea of the full Senate giving up authority on this, though...
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    • #3
      I agree with Arne....

      Maybe I'm selfish, but I would only agree to something like this if I was on the commitee...
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      • #4
        Originally posted by donegeal
        I agree with Arne....

        Maybe I'm selfish, but I would only agree to something like this if I was on the commitee...
        "If you live in a country run by committee, be on the committee."
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        • #5
          Well, not a bad idea, but I would only vote for it if members of the parties are represented proprtionally in the committee, otherwise it's not very democratic. This does not count for the non-party-members, but their whole groop should also have an amount of seats that represents their amount in the senate. Summarized: proportionality in the committee

          Aidun
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Aidun
            Well, not a bad idea, but I would only vote for it if members of the parties are represented proprtionally in the committee, otherwise it's not very democratic. This does not count for the non-party-members, but their whole groop should also have an amount of seats that represents their amount in the senate. Summarized: proportionality in the committee

            Aidun
            That scares me. As an independent, I am against instutionalizing parties like this.

            I would support a senate elected 7 person commitee and a 7 day deadline (10 turn maximum or something) for the process. I am against halting the game for GLs anymore as they are not that important for our supremacy these days. We have only 4 more great wonders to go and I think that we should be able to build all of them first, if we plan it right.
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            • #7
              I agree with MSS there. Most of the population are still Independents. The party system shouldn't be part of the official workings of government.
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              • #8
                No Committee By the way the results are going in the poll, we will probably keep the GL for a while, nulifying the need for such a committee.
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                • #9
                  It seems as though half the people don't want to give up their voting rights, and the other half don't want to stop the game every time we get a GL.
                  How about this: we create a committe that would decide on two uses for the next GL that may arise before any turnchat/turnthread takes place, and then posts these two options in the orders thread (as if they were cabinet members giving orders). Should we get a GL during the turnchat/turnthread, the president will halt the game and immediately post a 72 hours poll allowing a choice between the two options that the committee presented.
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                  • #10
                    IMHO, an amendment to our current NewCon is in order....there is little reason anymore to delay the game at all due to a GL. Na'armer is probably going to be stored away for later use anyways, but regardless of whether we use him or not right now, we will surely acquire more GL's in the future.

                    The reasoning behind stopping the game due to a GL is no longer as valid now as it was in the past, especially with the advent of Hoover and Iron Works....but that's my personal opinion.
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                    • #11
                      I agree, Meshelic. There's no more reason to halt the game, we're in a new Industrial Golden Age. At this point, we can build anything we want (including mostly wonders) in short time.

                      A suggestion:

                      What about a "GL queue"? This committee could organize some possible queues for any GL. So, if we got one, just consult the queue to see what build or rush first. That queue needs to be updated constantly, and this will be the role of the committee.
                      Of course the queue (or queues) must be submitted to the Senate by polls, etc.
                      (I need my legal adviser to extract some sense from this ... )

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                      • #12
                        If really we dont need GL anymore, the simplest way to solve the problem is to store the last one : we will never get another one.
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                        • #13
                          GLs aren't so bad (in fact, it's very funny when we get one)... If we don't have to stop the game because of them.
                          You always can built an Army, if nothing else important is avaliable. The cost of an army in shields is high...

                          IMHO, the GL queue could make it easy.

                          Edit: typos
                          Last edited by Aro; January 21, 2003, 08:52.
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                          • #14
                            Would you like a compromise ?

                            The constitution says :

                            8 The Senate has the power to decide how Great Leaders are used

                            We could add :

                            until all Great Wonders have been build.
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                            • #15
                              Sounds fair.
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